Lesbians in the 48 groups?

I'm curious to know who's accepting of LGBT and who isn't within the group. There must be some.

 

I would like to know that!She's not a member anymore but Sayaka Akimoto is supporter and when all the states legalized gay marriage,Rina Hirata mentioned it somewhere if that count for something!

 

What do you guys think of Inoue Sayuri? A couple things to note revealed on Nogi's Koujichuu. Before joining Nogi she was a major tomboy. She legit looked like a guy. That's the hint, but just to connect the dots, yesterday she introduced some shounen manga robot superhero character as her "ideal man".

The image is probably being manufactured by the producers somewhat, but those pre-Nogi photos don't lie.

 

Im pretty sure Oshima Yuko is at least bi, but cant say much about the others.

I would love mayuyu to be lesbian, that woul make her even more loveable in my eyes x)

that looks really interesting, i'll watch, thanks for sharing!

 

I looked through all the pages hoping someone would say this, thank you!
I'm a lesbian myself and there's no doubt Momoka is at least leaning towards girls a little bit (even though I believe she's pretty damn gay lol). And in general, going by statistics, there's going to be at least a couple of lesbians in the group, no matter how conservative Japan is about LGBT. And masculinity doesn't necessarily mean the gaydar pings, too.

 

In some documentary I saw some "expert" said that in a medium human context/community on average the 20% is gay/lesbian.
(they made example with the everage population of a country
I don't know the accuracy who can't be very good, anyway just for fun in akb48 this would be 15 people, 24 if you include the team8.
12-13 in ske48, 11-12 in nmb48, 9 in hkt48 and 5 in ngt48.

Of course these numbers are too big, but I'm sure on more than 200 girls I think they are people of every possible orientation

 

It is extremely unimportant (as far as I am concerned) but 20% seems a bit high to me. He/she is claiming that 1 out of every five people on the planet is gay/lesbian? Hard to believe. I've always been told the figure is about half that----10% or so.

 

In America, a country relatively more liberal than Japan, the number is more around 3.5%. Also, I read that there is a slightly higher percentage of men who are gay then women who are lesbian. In a country such as Japan, I would think that the numbers would be lower. The number for homosexual attraction would be quite a bit higher though as it's rare to be a perfect zero on the Kinsey scale.

The number of lesbians might be higher in akb than the general population though. Just think of the Stanford Prison Experiment.

 

I don't really believe there are fewer LGBT people in Japan than there are in the U.S. for example. It's just that in the west we're more open about it.

 

Isn't there a theory that if something is considered to be morally reprehensible in a society, less people will consciously associate with it while the underlying desire for it increases?

But then again, it's just a theory.

 

It might help to define what we mean by "gay". I mean, what makes a person gay? homosexual attraction? homosexual behavior? homosexual identity? Some combination of those? If a person exhibits all 3 of the above traits, it's easy. But that's not always the case.

Say, for example, a person feels strong feelings towards members of the opposite sex, but for whatever reason(s), never acts on them. Is that person gay? Or, what about a dude that claims to be straight and forms straight relationships, but sex with men on a regular basis? Is that person gay? I guess it depends on who you ask.

I don't really see a reason why there would be less homosexual attraction in Japan than in Western countries, but it is possible that there is less homosexual behavior, and it certainly makes sense that less people would identify as gay in a conservative country where conforming to societal norms is important.
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Next topic, it's a myth that we know what percentage of the population is gay. Yes, some studies have gotten numbers of 20% or higher, some studies put the number as low as 2%. It's a little more complicated than finding out say, what percentage of the population has brown hair. Really all anyone can do is put forth educated guesses.

@Azralix Wasn't the Stanford Prisoner Experiment about the psychological effects of being a prisoner/guard and an exploration of the causes of prisoner abuse? How does that relate to the number of lesbians in AKB at all?

 

@USA48 While it was a study on prisoner abuse, the Stanford Prison Experiment, at its core, showed how quickly people conformed to the roles they were given. In the experiment, the roles are prisoner and guard. Akb relates to this in the fact that the idols are playing a role in which it is greatly encouraged to exhibit homosexual behavior. Therefore, according to the results of the prison experiment, they are more likely to experience actual homosexual attraction.

 

Um, I'm sorry but your comparison to that prison experiment is completely flawed. They're not similar scenarios at all. The prison is looking at power structures and the idea of one group being more powerful than another. That has NOTHING to do with being gay or not. Being gay is not contagious for goodness sake.

 

''the idols are playing a role in which it is greatly encouraged to exhibit homosexual behavior''-----maybe I am a little slow on the uptake but I don't believe I have ever heard anyone actually say that before. Do you believe that's a majority opinion or simply your read on things. I have never really given the subject a great deal of thought, but I don't know if I truly believe that statement. Encouraged? I really don't know about that.

 

First of all, of course being gay is not contagious. However, I do believe that both situational and dispositional factors play a role in whether or not a person is gay (whatever your definition may be) , which is what the Stanford Prison Experiment is about. Yes, it is also about power roles, prisoner abuse, etc. but a key idea from the experiment is that characteristics thought to be perhaps mostly from a person's disposition (ie. sadism) actually arose from the position and situation the person was put in (ie. being a guard). It shows how different characteristics increase in different situations, not whether or not the characteristic existed in the first place.

I doubt it's a majority opinion, but I do believe such behavior is encouraged. I would think that as an idol, marketing yourself is important. Attaching yourself to another girl gives you opportunities to market yourself and make yourself more interesting. You can talk about your relationship during MCs, you can do the danso skit as a couple and generate more hype, you can be show cased as a couple on shows, etc. Videos of girls kissing are gifed and spread on social media. Fans ship and have OTPs. There's a reason why yuri manga and lesbian porn is mostly marketed towards guys, just like how yaoi is marketed towards girls. So while I doubt that there is anyone explicitly telling the girls to exhibit homosexual behavior, I do believe the fandom encourages it.

 

Couldn't it just be that these girls have developed some incredibly close friendships based on their shared experiences---beginning with the mind-boggling stress of auditioning and then traveling together and performing together and practically living together----- for years. I would assume that really really close friendships would naturally be formed that have little, if anything, to do with sexual attraction. And I'm still having trouble believing that ''fandom encourages'' lesbian behavior, -------but I could be wrong.

 

There are most definitely close friendships, which is one of the most beautiful things about akb. I was talking more about ships like mogion (OTP ), tanotomu, etc. that are marketed as a couple.

And don't worry about "fandom encourages lesbian behavior" lol. Unless there's hardcore proof, everything is just a theory with evidence that might be circumstantial. Nothing's ever definite about sociology or psychology.

 

Yes but that eperiment was in a closed group 24h24.
48g is for the most part an act, in front of the camera or on stage & girls don't live 24h in the akb48 mansion. they have free time, vacation... private life, so that experiment look like a very different thing.
Also the ton of fanservice (mostly for men) look very different from "lesbian behavior", but more like auto-promotion.

 

I admit that being an idol...you have to concede that you will be performing for a male-majority audience (not there aren't a sizable amount of female fans). I'm not sure what motivates girls to want to be idols, but if there were lesbians in the group, they might of discovered their sexuality much later after participating I would guess? If some went in knowingly lesbian, maybe being an idol translates differently for them in some way?

I think there would be some unique stories to come from this if members ever came out, probably nothing I could explain, but it's how life is for everyone I suppose. They probably loved idols enough to be one themselves, which would make sense to me.