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Minegishi Minami (Miichan) / 1st Generation

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  1. dutchie

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    Nah, I wouldn't say that, but normally Miichan tends to wear baggy clothes, maybe that's why she appears to be thinner.
    I did get the impression thought, that she went through the dreaded pendulum thing with her weight before and after the rizzap commercials ...
    but so far it seems she has it pretty much under control.

    Keeping the ideal weight must be hard on the members, it's hard on most teenage girls, but probably doubly so on idols.
    Take for instance Yukurin, who really looked a bit too thin during the last Janken prelims (but she was wearing long trousers which were enhancing the effect maybe)
    Or Mikichan at the time she graduated, she really put on weight by then, got from really skinny to chubby. but on a positive note, in recent pics together with Miichan, Mikichan looked just fine again.
     
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    I just watched Miichan's birthday stage and I wanted to share some screenshots with all of you ^^

    miichan 1.png miichan 2.png miichan 4.png miichan 5.png miichan 3.png miichan 6.png miichan 7.png miichan 8.png miichan 9.png miichan 10.png miichan 11.png
     
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  3. dutchie

    dutchie Stage48 Admin Staff Member Stage48 Admin

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    Lost of browns and beiges, earth tones people, earth tones .... (ok, I did a Red Letter Media reference there) .... but it truly was the first thing I thought
    Miichan looking great, but not a big fan of the bustier and lace, CanCan style look ...
    Otoh ... if there was an Oscar or Emmy for best costume designer for idol groups ... Shinobu Kayano would win hands down, its amazing the amount of incredible designs she did the last 11 year, and almost always with different versions for each and every member.

    which is a nice segway to share this link:
    https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...designed-by-the-akb48-costume-designer/.82940

    I wonder if there's a thread with 'what's your favourite AKB costume' around here somewhere? (there probably is ... but we could always do a 'what's the best costume Miichan has worn" ;) )
     
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    That was indeed a great idea, thanks!! :)
     
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    They performed pretty much the regular Team K stage that's going on at the moment (Saishuu Bell ga Naru). The bustier and lace outfit was for Oshibe to Meshibe to Yoru no Chouchou, which is supposed to be a pretty sexual songs (especially because the original singers were Kasai Tomomi and Ohori Megumi, and especially the latter was known as a sexy idol persona).

    In the original lyrics for the song, Tomomi is portrayed as a younger girl in love with an older woman and she asks Meetan, "what do we do if someone sees us?" and "do you really love me?" (the last one repeatedly) and Meetan keeps dodging the question, saying stuff like "Hm, I wonder...". And in the version Miichan did with Ayanan, Ayanan asks her "wasn't it your birthday?" and then keeps asking "how old are you now?" and Miichan keeps ignoring her and tries to change the topic [hehe] I thought it was quite a funny take on the song, and you could tell they were both trying really hard not to laugh
     
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    Thanks for the explanation ... my grasp of Japanese is still virtually nonexistent.
    ( I manage to see if the subtitles I found for a Japanese movie match with the dialog though :D, so ... that's a start)
     
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    I was actually surprised with myself that I understood it because I think my Japanese is pretty bad, especially when it's spoken only (it's easier to understand when written, especially if your knowledge of kanji is solid). I understand the word "tanjoubi" (birthday) and "nan sai desu ka?" (how old are you?) and I know that Miichan didn't respond with "twenty-five"; and Oshibe to Meshibe is one of my favourite stage songs, so I've looked up the lyrics on stage48 before
     
  8. dutchie

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    What is it? 4000+ characters ? .... a solid understanding .... not going to happen in this lifetime I guess :)
     
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    I don't think there are that many tbh [hehe] I know about 70 but I don't consider that solid
     
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    ok, you seem to need basically only 2000+ :)
    to quote the other wiki: "The jōyō kanji(常用漢字, regular-use kanji) are 2,136 characters consisting of all the Kyōiku kanji, plus 1,130 additional kanji taught in junior high and high school."

    otoh:
    Total number of kanji
    There is no definitive count of kanji characters, just as there is none of Chinese characters generally. The Dai Kan-Wa Jiten, which is considered to be comprehensive in Japan, contains about 50,000 characters. The Zhonghua Zihai, published in 1994 in China contains about 85,000 characters;[16][17][18] however, the majority of these are not in common use in any country, and many are obscure variants or archaic forms.

    Approximately 2,000 to 3,000 characters are commonly used in Japan, a few thousand more find occasional use, and a total of 13,108 characters can be encoded in various Japanese Industrial Standards for kanji.

    so basically the answer to the question, how many Kanji are there is .... nobody knows :)

    but it's pretty well known that even native Japanese people have trouble with mastering them all, including Miichan:
    To quote this wiki (e.i. wiki48):
    • Is often jealous of Kojima Haruna for being able to write kanji that she can't write herself.
    which kinda leads to the following question I just thought of:
    how smart is Miichan, she did pretty badly in the Mechaike Bakka test, but I wonder what her school career would have look like here in the Netherlands?
    I would think:
    Kawaei - VMBO ?
    Kojiharu - VMBO-T (what used to be Mavo)
    Miichan - Havo
    Yuko - definitely VWO or Gymnasium

    on the other hand ... Miichan is pretty sharp in TV shows ... so maybe it would be VWO after all

    I might have to explain the Dutch school system:
    Secondary Dutch education (voortgezet onderwijs)
    From 12 years, pupils choose from vocational or pre-university diplomas based on their ability under the Netherlands education system. In the first years all pupils study the same subjects (to different academic levels), known as the basisvorming, followed by a second stage (tweede fase) in which students choose a specialist profile.

    It is typically difficult to change vocational streams, however, in 2017 the Dutch government announced they would consider testing again at age 14 to reassess a student's capabilities before entering the third year. This would give a chance for late bloomers or hard-working students to change to a higher education stream, and create more equality in the Dutch education system.

    VMBO (a further four years of school)
    Prep school for vocational secondary Dutch education; those who achieve the highest level (theoretische leerweg) can enter HAVO studies. VMBO graduates must continue studying until age 18 or until they obtain a basic qualification (minimum MBO level 2). Read more about vocational Dutch education.

    MBO: Secondary vocational Dutch education
    MBO programmes vary from one to four years depending on the level (1–4). All programmes combine practical learning in the classroom with hands-on training. If a student has successfully completed the Dutch VMBO or the international middle school programmes IGCSE or IB-MYP, but is not admitted to the IB-Diploma Programme, the MBO can prepare pupils for work or, if level 4 is achieved, professional studies (HBO). A number of English-language programmes are offered.

    HAVO (five years)
    Senior general secondary Dutch education. Provides entrance to higher professional education (hoger beroepsonderwijs HBO) at ‘vocational universities’.

    VWO (six years)
    Pre-university Dutch education. Prepares students for academic studies at a research university (Wetenschappelijk Onderwijs WO). VWO schools can be athenaeum, gymnasium or lyceum (a combination of the first two), a difference being that Greek and Latin are core subjects in gymnasium programmes.

    English is a compulsory subject in the secondary Dutch education system. VMBO pupils study one modern language and HAVO/VWO pupils at least two. Other core areas include mathematics, history, humanities, arts and sciences.

    Also at a secondary level, students have the choice between state-run or special private schools. Just under a third of the 659 secondary schools are run by the public authority.
     
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    From wikipedia:

    "The kyōiku kanji(教育漢字, lit. "education kanji") are 1,006 characters that Japanese children learn in elementary school.

    The jōyō kanji(常用漢字, regular-use kanji) are 2,136 characters consisting of all the Kyōiku kanji, plus 1,130 additional kanji taught in junior high and high school."

    Characters outside this set typically are published with either Hiragana or Katakana on top (Furigana) in small letters to show you the pronunciation. You can see this on a number of tv shows that show the name of a member and on SSK appeal videos and posters.
     
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    Yeah, I noticed that on the election posters, at first I thought it weird, but it makes perfect sense.
    Thatmanyuta(?) has a youtube video explaining why they don't use Hiragana or Katakana exclusively:

    if the video does not show watch the video here

    And also a video exploring if Japanese people can actually write kanji:

    if the video does not show watch the video here
    And read:

    if the video does not show watch the video here

    To be honest, I've seen proposals to simplify Dutch spelling .... which can be pretty illogical .... and it just hurts your eyes :)
    (in the 60 of the last century it was in vogue to simplify foreign words like 'cadeau' to 'kado' (the pronunciation is the same) ... 'kado' or 'buro' just looks ugly to me ... )
     
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    I really love Yuta's videos, he seems really smart and a pretty fun person as well. I actually watched the first video, and that was kind of the reason why I thought "okay, I should really learn Kanji" and now looking at some text that's only written in kana does bother me quite a lot, too.

    About Miichan being jealous of Kojiharu in regards of Kanji, I wonder if it might simply be because Miichan used to have a very competitive persona and Kojiharu was known for being an airhead and being terrible at Kanji. I can imagine, despite being good friends, they still all considered each other rivals and she might have felt, "If Nyan can write/read this kanji, then I must be really stupid" and thus feels jealous specifically of her.
     
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    I can never tell if that's just the persona or the real Kojiharu.
    There used to be a video on youtube where Kojiharu is studying the schedule for a perfomance .... and Miichan is dorking around behind her .... trying to get Kojiharu to dance with her (and succeeding for a bit).... Kojiharu didn't come of that much as an airhead in that.
    (I guess Miichan was for a long time the little bit annoying little sister for her ... endearing ... but just too young to comprehend completely :) )

    otoh .... in the Baka test .... being the only one to see the sequence ... and still getting the wrong result
    :) that was epic airhead :D
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    I believe Nyan was smart about things that she cared for, if that makes any sense. I don't know if you ever read the letter Aki-P wrote for her for her graduation concert (I posted a translation sometime last year in her thread) but he also mentioned that she was quite a caring person and that she is smarter than people let her know. She was quite determined, being bold and telling Aki-P she deserved to be a center (which she got then in Yuuhi wo Miteiruka? with Acchan). And there was an AKBingo segment aaaages ago about calligraphy and this professional woman asked them to write something on a big sheet very beautifully, she'd pick a winner and Kojiharu wrote にゃん ('Nyan'). Everyone laughed at her at first because everyone else chose really beautiful and elaborate kanji, and she went with 'simple' Katakana but she won in the end, because she explained that she chose because she likes when people call her that and it makes her happy.

    She certainly wasn't the brightest in terms of scholarly intelligence, but I think Kojiharu had that sort of smartness about her that you can't train, but something you're born with. And because a lot of people value smartness in terms of how well you're doing at school, how quickly you can do maths and how much you know about science, it was easy for people to call her dumb. She knew how to calm down kouhais and how to make them feel welcome. She is a successful model now, travelling the world - and I think for that you need persistence, willpower and wits. That's where her intelligence lies.
     
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    That makes perfect sense .... I was really, really, really, really bad in German grammar (or French) in school, which had partly to do with the teachers .... but mainly with a complete lack of interest by me :/
    Dativ, Genetiv ... it just couldn't be bothered ...
    but I'm perfectly able to understand German and scored perfect 10s (we go from 1 to 10, 10 being best) when reading/understanding German (or French) tests
    (Much to the chagrin of my German teacher, who thought it was unfair as I would be able to pass my exams without any trouble, whereas his star pupils would fail miserably (the could spell perfectly, apply the correct 'naamval' ....but failed to be able to understand even the simplest of texts)
    (My old French teacher couldn't care less ... as long as I didn't choose French :D )

    In other news:

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    It seems Miichan ranked 17th :) ....
    otoh ... as the senior member it's kinda expected of her :D
     
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    And, unless I'm completely mistaken, the voiceover/narration for the complete program.

    Meanwhile, Miichan teamed up with Takahashi Yuya again for another photoshoot.
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    #2 is almost a throwback to the Miichan of say 5 years back.
    #5 looks awesome as a concept ... I hope we get to see the result as well

    I mentioned the photography show Takahashi-san was going to give a presentation on this March.
    Here are some pics ...
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    For sure this cooperation benefits them both, as I guess Miichan is instantly recognisable in Japan, and for Miichan it allows her to show her modelling skills.
    Anyway, as an amateur photographer, damn, that are some great shots.

    a complete aside: twitter in their infinite wisdom have decide to scrap their desktop app to 'offer a better experience' ....
    which makes it a pain to save images ... :/

    anyway ... we don't have to guess where Miichan was .... Kyoto!
    I do have to guess with who she's there ... my guess, Miki-chan?
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    btw, I don't know who took the pic of the Golden temple ... but if it's Miichan she should take up photography :)

    It seems this was the first time Miichan was there

    And as Acchan visited the "drei grosschen oper" with Miichan, now Miichan visited a play with Acchan
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    「そして僕は途方に暮れる」観劇 板の上の出来事として捉えると特別な事のようにも見えるけど、全然特別じゃなくて、どこにでもある日常でもあって...人間の愚かさ、気持ち悪さがギュって。すきでした。あっちゃん演じる女性もまた、他人事ではないような...素晴らしかったです。人間めんどくさー。
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    It seems like a special thing to grasp as an event on the board, but it is not special at all and it is also everywhere everyday ... human foolishness, bad feeling is gut. I liked it. The woman who plays A - chan is also not like other people 's work ... it was wonderful. It is a painful human being.
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    well, that means Miichan and Accan already met up this year more times then last year ;)

    Well, I guess I was right, Miichan was in Kyoto with her 'little sister' Miki-chan :D
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    awww..... Miichan dropped her pasmo card between the train and the platform, maybe she wants mine?
    not going to use it this year anyway I guess and there's still some credit on it :/
     
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    what's a pasmo card?

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