2019 Member Ranking Result Reveal (All ranks revealed!)

Negative votes would "reflect the forums feelings" if they were actually the forums feelings and not strategic votes to bring down someone so their oshi will get ahead, those negative votes do not reflect the forums feelings at all

And with the low number of votes, a small number of people can change the ranking against what the general community feels

Again, is anyone thinking that naachan's negative votes accurately reflects the forums feelings of her? That she is deserving of some of the highest negative votes out of all the idols in the rankings? Havent seen anyone thinking she deserves those votes

In some ways i agree with aka's point on making negative votes public, if you have a reason you believe deems an idol worthy of a negative vote then it should be a valid enough point to reveal it, but all the naachan negative voters remain quiet

Something in the system needs to change, after all this discussion, it is highly likely that more people will be even more strategic with their votes next year, and with that the ranking will stray even further from what the ranking would be based on the forums actual feelings, and more so what people are trying to strategically manipulate the ranking to be

 

I'm happy Nogi 3rd gen and 4th gen trio did really well in this ranking.

My final ranking
01. Yamashita Mizuki (+15) [29]
02. Nishino Nanase (+10) [9]
03. Ikuta Erika (+9) [1]
04. Shiraishi Mai (+8) [4]
05. Hori Miona (+7) [21]
06. Saito Asuka (+6) [1]
07. Kubo Shiori (+5) [22]
08. Hayakawa Seira (+5) [113]
09. Kaki Haruka (+4) [28]
10. Tsutsui Ayame (+4) [46]
11. Endo Sakura (+4) [37]
12. Tamura Mayu (+3) [126]
13. Seimiya Rei (+3) [147]
14. Kanagawa Saya (+3) [70]
15. Shibata Yuna (+2) [180]
16. Sato Rika (+2) [279]
17. Hayashi Runa (+2) [330]
18. Matsuo Miyu (+1) [392]
19. Kuromi Haruka (+1) [417]
20. Yumiki Nao (+1) [417]

I pretty much dgaf about the other groups. So neither positive or negative points I gave to them.

 

NO!!! Iku-chan ahhh
So close

 

While I certainly found some suspiciously concerted seeming efforts disagreeable, after considering it and reading others' stances, I can see reason to keep negative voting and am against a need to justify them, as that would probably be difficult to judiciously rule on. The multiple -1 vote idea doesn't sound like a bad reform. Lots of room on that end to play around with.

It really was a fun election though, @kanjo and do appreciate you going through so much effort for it. Would love to see more election type events

 

??? She won...

 

Maho's negative vote situation doesn't fit with Naachan's, and it's not about whether i agree they deserved the votes or not, that's not the issue. The people who gave Maho negative votes most likely did so because they dislike her/dislike things she said, which although i disagree with, is a reason that they would rate her negatively for her. Whereas Naachan doesn't fit that, if people were giving her really high negative votes because they disliked her, then it fits, but it seems most probable that it is strategic votes by a few people. As ruroni pointed out, Naahcan got the 2nd highest average negative vote value, only 0.1 lower than Ayakani, that says a lot. Did it change the results this year? no, but with a 1 point difference it makes it a very real possibility that people can strategically bring a member down to raise another. What if trinu had remembered to vote, or someone had put naachan one spot higher?

If people were just voting on who they felt deserved negative votes for reasons around the member herself, then negative votes would fit with the overall rank, the issue is that it seems some people aren't. How can that effect be minimised, that is what should be addressed. Possible suggestions have been making people reveal their reasons why, reducing negative votes to 1 (-5 is a third of a maximum positive vote, but when the scores are so close to each other, a vote of -5 by one person can even make someone jump even a few ranks, so even if they don't "cancel" one fan's maximum vote, they change the ranks), making it so you don't have to give a -5 by default (which won't stop strategic negative voters on naachan), making negative votes compulsory (people might just throw their negatives on random girls) etc.

tldr, can negative votes reflect the general feelings of their forum? yes. Are they being used in ways they shouldn't be? yes. Can that impact future rankings in ways that wont reflect the forums feelings? yes. And this year highlighted that this is an increasing issue, that a few people giving strategic negative votes can change the rankings. Maybe in previous years where there were a lot more voters things were balanced out better, but that is not the case now, a small number of negative voters can create a bigger change when there are less voters overall as is the case now.

 

That is very impactful, man, it was by a difference of 1, the single smallest value that can affect this election that those -20 did not affect her rank.
I can only imagine how impactful this is going to be next year when we might have less voters and the Sakamichi/48G rivalry in the forums is even more clear.

Well, if they have a ridiculous voting record like giving only Sakamichi and especially top2 Nogi a lot of points and then their negative vote goes only to Okada and 48G, then yes. Are they following 48G while not liking them? Ain't it better to just ignore them? What do they know about Okada's activities while watching mostly Sakamichi?

Even supposing that they pay any attention to her besides looking at last year's 1st place for her, they'd still be hard-pressed to give solid reasons to give hate votes on Okada, I bet, lol.

And as for Maho, she'd have jumped 3 positions if negative votes had to be either justified or were given less weight (-5 is too much, especially in the middle-rankings where my favourite girl is).

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Either way, I've said my piece about this, I only felt the need to give that big reply before because the previous post was by a mod supporting the negative votes and the arguments were atrocious ("Why even care, bro? Even if she gets negative votes, I'll still like her")

Seeing as so many voices said they want a review of the negative voting, I'd think a poll would be more than fine and appropriate, since there are a lot of people dissatisfied with how negative votes can be cast and no need to justify them but disagree on how to change rules on negative votes. Just my 2 cents.

Now a veteran on this, I'm all in on HKT votes and Yuiyui strategic POSITIVE voting next year (with some Missaa love thrown in there), like I said, not giving negatives anymore. Cy'all then.

 

I'm actually late from this, for unknown reason I couldn't access to Stage48 yesterday..
The last one from my ranking is....
16. 7. (4) [21|5] [IZN] Miyawaki Sakura{+167,-18}, 149
She fell out of Top 5... She is actually doing fine in IZ*ONE. Mnet vote manipulation investigation really make her career (and also other IZ*ONE members career) almost be destroyed. Even until now, I still see people talk about this. On a side note, she still get new fans because of her visual and stage presence. Wait to see her comeback to HKT48 in next year.
My full ranking:
01. 24. (18) [15|0] [AKB] Muto Tomu{+108,0}, 108
02. 240. (---) [1|0] [BNK] Nuttakul Pimtongchaikul{+10,0}, 10
03. 142. (216) [3|1] [AKB] Shimoguchi Hinana{+28,-4}, 24
04. 196. (262) [4|0] [HKT] Matsumoto Hinata{+15,0}, 15
05. 147. (149) [6|0] [N46] Ito Junna{+23,0}, 23
06. 68. (72) [12|0] [N46] Umezawa Minami{+46,0}, 46
07. 308. (444) [1|0] [MNL] Ruther Marie Lingat{+5,0}, 5
08. 34. (26) [15|1] [K46] Nagahama Neru{+76,-1}, 75
09. 240. (---) [3|0] [SKE] Hirata Shiina{+10,0}, 10
10. 70. (250) [10|0] [K46] Morita Hikaru{+45,0}, 45
11. 90. (115) [9|0] [H46] Miyata Manamo{+36,0}, 36
12. 279. (---) [2|0] [SH] Hu XinYin{+7,0}, 7
13. 126. (470) [3|0] [SGO] Châu Ngọc Đoan Thảo{+28,0}, 28
14. 290. (---) [3|0] [SH] Zhu Ling{+6,0}, 6
15. 392. (470) [1|0] [TP] Chiu Pin-han{+2,0}, 2
16. 7. (4) [21|5] [IZN] Miyawaki Sakura{+167,-18}, 149
17. 103. (110) [9|1] [IZN] Lee Chaeyeon{+34,-1}, 33
18. 82. (242) [10|0] [HKT] Unjo Hirona{+39,0}, 39
19. 290. (283) [3|0] [SH] Liu Nian{+6,0}, 6
20. 118. (72) [9|0] [SKE] Goto Rara{+30,0}, 30
And I'm shock because Naachan get too much negative votes than I thought. Anyway, congrats to both Ikuchan and Asuka .

 

Imo, last sentence said it all. Very few will come out, if any. On the other hand, no one will admit they're out for retalliation.

This

And these

Doesn't make sense to me but I don't need any explanation. I have an idea for the downvote, that's enough for me. I know we're all different. For me this is just for fun, others take it seriously and sometimes personally (admit it). That's fine, you're just being passionate. I respect that.

If it's not too much to ask, yeah a poll should be in order. Just to get some activity going
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I'm just happy on my 4th time participating my Ikuchan, yes my Ikuchwan finished numero uno. So whatever happen next year, I'm all good.

 

My votes this year

Spoiler

01. Okada Nana (+15)
02. Yabuki Nako (+10)
03. Miyawaki Sakura (+9)
04. Nagahama Neru (+8)
05. Murayama Yuiri (+7)
06. Mukaichi Mion (+6)
07. Shiroma Miru (+5)
08. Koike Minami (+5)
09. Tanaka Miku (+4)
10. Taguchi Manaka (+4)
11. Ma Chia-Ling (+4)
12. Yamane Suzuha (+3)
13. Asai Nanami (+3)
14. Muto Tomu (+3)
15. Takahashi Juri (+2)
16. Taniguchi Megu (+2)
17. Matsui Jurina (+2)
18. Takayama Kazumi (+1)
19. Yamamoto Ayaka (+1)
20. Kai Kokoa (+1)

Even though i was aware of this i almost didn't vote. 2019 wasn't a good year for me as a fan, the little i got didn't impressed me too much, and apart from Naachan i wasn't really paying attention to 48/46 members. Therefore my ranking has very few modifications from the previous one. I would like to say that this year is going to be different but so far it doesn't seems like it, so sadly Naachan will probably lose some more votes next year.

 

Dude, you ain't helping your own cause...

By same token, I recommend and encourage enjoying the best of both worlds
take for eg. HKT's latest single. Its a wonderful blend of styles

I can testify to how good it is to oshi both sides

Spoiler

and how light my wallet is

(and how hard it is when it comes to decide voting)

 

Final two:

14. 1. (2) [39|0] [N46] Ikuta Erika
16. 9. (6) [18|4] [NGT] Yamaguchi Maho

 

If you say so, I'll can it. I'd started going in that direction because of your post where you said "As for Okada Nana, I believe her issue is that she won 3 years in a row". But I guess it's not as simple as people from other fandom disliking her wins like my simplistic approach and assuming made me think.

Sorry for the trouble.

 

as i said, it's a 1 point difference, the smallest gap it can be, and i am talking about impacts in the future if people continue to do this

in 2016 there were 413 voters, in 2017 there were 392 voters, this year there were 125. Less voters overall means that targeted strategic negative voting has the potential for greater impact and skewing of results compared to previous years, so yes, an increasing issue.

anyways idk why some people even vote strategically for a ranking that has no prizes and is meant to just be a fun reflection of the forums overall interests, kinda takes away from that

ill leave my points at that

 

The fact is Okada Nana only got negative votes from 5 people. Even if all of those people were Sakamichi fans, its an insignificant amount. And I doubt they were all Sakamichi fans. Its just as likely that they were 48G fans who were trying to push there oshis up. No one on the Sakamichi forums is even talking about this election. Sakamichi fans don't get worked up about elections the way 48G fans do and most people on those boards probably didn't even vote.

 

You appear to be confusing the number of ranked places with the number of voters.
2015 - 221 voters
2016 - 200 voters
2017 - 106 voters
2018 - 148 voters
2019 - 125 voters