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Single Keyakizaka46 3rd [Futari Saison] (2016/11/30)

Discussion in 'Sakurazaka46 News & Releases' started by ForrestFuller, Sep 30, 2016.

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Hououin Pic Kenkyuusei

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Everyone here is grateful to the staff who worked on the releases.
Still, the final product is delivered and performed by the girls.
Not having expection is impossible after a big hit like Silent Majority.
And I think everyone (secretly) hope to have single like or even better than SM.
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that's the problem with expectation that I mentioned earlier. Even I know that its almost impossible to put aside that hope of getting that "first high" again.

For something to even be put on the same level as SaiMajo in the eyes of the fans, it will have to be so good that they forget about comparing it to SaiMajo. That's a steep slope to climb.

Hououin Pic, Nov 26, 2016

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It is not like they are doing it for charity. They produce a product and we as consumers have a right to criticize, love, promote and do whatever we see fit with said product. Though I think we all do understand that.

Speaking of expectations, having none is even crazier. Being complacent does noone any good.
I do agree though that having such an strong debut song, really is a blessing and curse at the same time.

Personally I am listening more to Futari than I have ever done with Silent Majority
So there is that.

VincentS, Nov 26, 2016

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I have no idea if this is the right place to post this, but here goes.

So I've read almost all the comments about the songs and the videos for the latest single just to set myself up before actually watching the videos. And without fail, comparisons were made. I've stated it before on some thread in this forum, that we are people and we can't help compare things we like. When it comes to music this is more evident as the artist is not only being compared to other artists, but most importantly against themselves. They are at war with the expectations that they themselves have created in the minds/hearts of their supporters, fans, critics etc.
Expectation is an artist's greatest friend, now we all know that when things go wrong between good friends, the enmity that may ensue is no laughing matter. Let's park that there.

I'm a fan of the Keyaki girls, not just because of their music. It is for this reason that I put off listening to any of the new songs, I was waiting for the videos to be released so that I could watch everything at once. Why is that? Simply because they don't really have anything to do with the music, they are the medium through which these songs are delivered to us. The songs are written, composed and arranged behind the scenes and as far as I know they have no say in it whatsoever. Sure they add their own personal touch to the music and all that (i.e their voices) , but in the end its only a Keyakizaka46 song because it was released through them... It could have just as easily been a Nogizaka46 or HKT48 song for that matter.

This brings me to why I wait for the videos before listening to any the songs. Personally, I feel that the videos are what set the music apart as a Keyakizaka46 or a Nogi song or a 48Group song (granted you could dismiss this argument without much thought in a similar manner to that which I've already presented above). In the videos, its where you actually see the girls, their expressions, their dancing and one could go as far as saying their interpretation of the music. This is why I wait for the videos, because only then can I see the girls in the music... But this is still not entirely their own work. We have all these wonderful people with the make-up and the choreographers and cameraman etc. These are the people whose vision it is that we mostly see.

Back to the comparisons.
One need only look at the credits for each song or video to see the number of different musicians, directors and choreographers etc. that the girls work with. Each time that you compare a release with another one, the only common factor just might turn out to be Aki-P's lyrics and the girls themselves.

Brothers and sisters, what I'm trying to put across to you is that your comparisons just might have the wrong targets in sight. Why is this relevant? Well I'd say its because sometimes the group gets the heat for things they have no control over. A perfect example of this happened a few weeks ago and quite a lot of people put in their 2 cents over the matter so I'll leave it at that.

When you compare one single to another, you need to keep in mind that the girls have grown and this means that in gaining new qualities, they lose some others. In conclusion, every release is released by what I'd refer to as a new group and not just because the girls have grown.

What the point of this post? Only this: Let go of all expectations you might have for each single, or as a matter of fact, for the group itself. The people who present each release are not the same, not just those behind the scenes, the girls themselves are different.

If you keep this in mind then I think you will appreciate each new release just a bit more because there are no expectations or preconceived notions that will cloud your judgement because there's a particular thing that you are looking for in the music.
We all have our taste in music and that can't be helped. But if you take the point of view I've just suggested I think you will come to treasure each release more and get more out of it than when you always go in expecting a Silent Majority type of thing or SekAi. The girls would have to go backwards to give you something of that nature again. I'm not saying they can't put out something at a similar level, it just won't have the same feel because of our expectations.

Remember, Silent Majority is a great song, but I think one the reasons it became as big as it did is because no one was really expecting anything. They were all just waiting for Nogizaka46's first sister group to put out their first single... And boy did they deliver.

Music is beautiful.
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you stated yourself that comparison is inevitable. I guess that's my thoughts about your post.
as long as the comparison posts aren't too much or in bigotric manners, that's the fun in this forum I guess.
actually eventhough there are comparisons here and there I guess everyone in this thread agreed on one thing, keyakizaka don't disappoint

riduch, Nov 26, 2016

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personally, i think that comparing the singles can make you love them even more. it doesn't have to be as simple as "x single is better than y single" but more like "this single has this as it's strong point, which contrasts with that single's strong point being opposite of the last", or something like that lol. comparing allows you to see where the girls performance and the songs in general have grown and how the girls deliver a song, and it makes me appreciate the single more, even if i do prefer some aspects of one single to another.

minaeshi, Nov 26, 2016

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Hououin Pic said: ↑

I have no idea if this is the right place to post this, but here goes.

So I've read almost all the comments about the songs and the videos for the latest single just to set myself up before actually watching the videos. And without fail, comparisons were made. I've stated it before on some thread in this forum, that we are people and we can't help compare things we like. When it comes to music this is more evident as the artist is not only being compared to other artists, but most importantly against themselves. They are at war with the expectations that they themselves have created in the minds/hearts of their supporters, fans, critics etc.
Expectation is an artist's greatest friend, now we all know that when things go wrong between good friends, the enmity that may ensue is no laughing matter. Let's park that there.

I'm a fan of the Keyaki girls, not just because of their music. It is for this reason that I put off listening to any of the new songs, I was waiting for the videos to be released so that I could watch everything at once. Why is that? Simply because they don't really have anything to do with the music, they are the medium through which these songs are delivered to us. The songs are written, composed and arranged behind the scenes and as far as I know they have no say in it whatsoever. Sure they add their own personal touch to the music and all that (i.e their voices) , but in the end its only a Keyakizaka46 song because it was released through them... It could have just as easily been a Nogizaka46 or HKT48 song for that matter.

This brings me to why I wait for the videos before listening to any the songs. Personally, I feel that the videos are what set the music apart as a Keyakizaka46 or a Nogi song or a 48Group song (granted you could dismiss this argument without much thought in a similar manner to that which I've already presented above). In the videos, its where you actually see the girls, their expressions, their dancing and one could go as far as saying their interpretation of the music. This is why I wait for the videos, because only then can I see the girls in the music... But this is still not entirely their own work. We have all these wonderful people with the make-up and the choreographers and cameraman etc. These are the people whose vision it is that we mostly see.

Back to the comparisons.
One need only look at the credits for each song or video to see the number of different musicians, directors and choreographers etc. that the girls work with. Each time that you compare a release with another one, the only common factor just might turn out to be Aki-P's lyrics and the girls themselves.

Brothers and sisters, what I'm trying to put across to you is that your comparisons just might have the wrong targets in sight. Why is this relevant? Well I'd say its because sometimes the group gets the heat for things they have no control over. A perfect example of this happened a few weeks ago and quite a lot of people put in their 2 cents over the matter so I'll leave it at that.

When you compare one single to another, you need to keep in mind that the girls have grown and this means that in gaining new qualities, they lose some others. In conclusion, every release is released by what I'd refer to as a new group and not just because the girls have grown.

What the point of this post? Only this: Let go of all expectations you might have for each single, or as a matter of fact, for the group itself. The people who present each release are not the same, not just those behind the scenes, the girls themselves are different.

If you keep this in mind then I think you will appreciate each new release just a bit more because there are no expectations or preconceived notions that will cloud your judgement because there's a particular thing that you are looking for in the music.
We all have our taste in music and that can't be helped. But if you take the point of view I've just suggested I think you will come to treasure each release more and get more out of it than when you always go in expecting a Silent Majority type of thing or SekAi. The girls would have to go backwards to give you something of that nature again. I'm not saying they can't put out something at a similar level, it just won't have the same feel because of our expectations.

Remember, Silent Majority is a great song, but I think one the reasons it became as big as it did is because no one was really expecting anything. They were all just waiting for Nogizaka46's first sister group to put out their first single... And boy did they deliver.

Music is beautiful.
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Thank you for your impassioned post. It's nice that Keyaki have people like yourself as fans.
Yes I agree, we should judge each song in it's own right. But the issue is that we have heard their previous songs, so comparisons will subconsciously, it can't be helped.

Even you yourself will have judged the music based on what you have heard before. Some will like the new songs, some will not.

I personally like the songs, and I enjoy every Keyaki song because I love Keyakizaka - I think everyone here willing to sign up to a forum to talk about them feels the same.

When we here say "xxx isn't as good as xxx", or "xxx doesn't fit keyaki" it's being said because we love them, and we want them to do well. Futari Saison is great, I absolutely love that song and I listen to it numerous times daily. Other songs like Otona I am not as struck on, but that doesn't mean anything, I'm not a massive fan of the Bob Dylan song, but I am still here.

Keyaki's strengths far outweigh the negatives, a couple of 'not so great' songs, compared to a dozen or so gems, is nothing in the scheme of things.

I also believe everyone here treasures Futari Saison, and we will treasure Silent Majority, Sekai ni wa ai shika nai, and the next single, and so on, until Keyaki is finished making music.

P.S. Silent Majority became as big as it did, because it is an inspirational single, it is something very different to the usual sugar coated idol music.

Christoff522, Nov 26, 2016

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In her blog, Habu confirms that hers is the hand they are all reaching for when they make the "Keyaki tree" at the end of the MV. In the MV, however, I think I see Nijika's face in the centre as they begin to gather round to form the tower. So maybe it starts with Nijika and ends reaching upward toward Habu.

Habu tower:

I converted the videos to mp3 and have been listening to them without the images. It really is two different things. But as music, I find myself enjoying Saison, then Otona, then Bokutachi, and then Dare Yori mo. My liking for the Hiraganas' personalities may lift them up a bit in the rankings when I'm watching the MVs.

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ukifune, Nov 26, 2016

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one thing I've noticed is there's a lot of complaints about how amateur hiragana keyaki's choreography is. personally, I really like that about it. it reminds me of the choreography you see in dance covers (usually of anime songs or vocaloid) on youtube:

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yeah, sure it's amateurish, but I think that's what makes it appealing; it makes it accessible, like anyone can just pick it up and copy the choreography for fun. I think girls especially will really like that. and I think the amateur quality makes it feels fresh.

why does somethinghave to be complicated to be considered good anyway?

jujuchuu, Nov 26, 2016

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jujuchuu said: ↑

...why does something have to be complicated to be considered good anyway?
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Bingo! I think we have become so used to high production values and complexity that we have enslaved ourselves to expensive professionals and have lost freedom to create and to enjoy.

Art doesn't depend on complexity or even high skill. It transcends those. I mean, after all, we are following idols here, not opera singers. I've never enjoyed music more than I have at local events featuring semi-pro bands.

However, there is a limit for me. Raucous singing out of tune is a form of idol music I can't actually take.

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ukifune, Nov 26, 2016

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Bingo! I think we have become so used to high production values and complexity that we have enslaved ourselves to expensive professionals and have lost freedom to create and to enjoy.

Art doesn't depend on complexity or even high skill. It transcends those. I mean, after all, we are following idols here, not opera singers. I've never enjoyed music more than I have at local events featuring semi-pro bands.

However, there is a limit for me. Raucous singing out of tune is a form of idol music I can't actually take.
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yes, for sure! I also think there's such a thing as too polished.
even outside of idol music I don't particularly care for overproduced music.

type B PV previews are out!

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jujuchuu, Nov 26, 2016

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Yuipons is weird.
Zuumin maji tenshi...
Yuukas smile is irresistible.
I like Suzumotos the best. It makes you curious how she gets out. Face and scream on point.

VincentS, Nov 26, 2016

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What time will CDTV be on air?

RedBug, Nov 26, 2016

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Just watched Bokutachi MV again. Really love these two in the MV...

Obelovic, Nov 26, 2016

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What time will CDTV be on air?
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24:58 JST on TBS

ダヴィドさん, Nov 26, 2016

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24:58 JST on TBS
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Thank you.

RedBug, Nov 26, 2016

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Just watched Bokutachi MV again. Really love these two in the MV...

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I'm a big Risa fan so I really liked the video, was never really on the Berika hype train but now I'm starting to think that there just might be something to it...

but I felt bad for the other girls, it was like the W-Watanabe show with cameos from their friends

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Risa is so gorgeous! Her eyes are just... And the shape of her face is such so beautiful...

Obelovic, Nov 26, 2016

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Anybody watched the TV version of Futari Saison? It's awesome, the formation and the move looks great, even 3rd row got some front time

ダヴィドさん, Nov 27, 2016

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The moves are nice and man those formations but I can't help feel that their moves were restricted. It'd be nicer if they had hands-free mics so that they can move as free as in the MV (which I think would bring out more potential to the song's free and happy movements)

Wonder if that ending pose had any meaning with everyone else going one direction except Hirate who's alone. Even the MV ending has her alone and Otona wa Shinjitekurenai ending too. Well I could be reading too much into it and it could just be more airtime for her haha

Kyotachin, Nov 27, 2016

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if the video does not show watch the video here

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kyuudere, Nov 27, 2016

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I agree, they shouldn't have mics but headsets. Feels like there is soo much happening that you can't really concentrate on the song itself.
Poor camera work. Like don't they rehearse this before shooting?
Also why is this only the short version...give me everything yo!!
Hopefully the Music Station performance is better shot.

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