NGT48 Assault Case

Discussion in 'General NGT48 Discussion' started by Cisalpine88, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. wlerin

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    You would think that posters on a Japanese message board would actually know Japanese. も has range of meanings beyond just the simple [A does/is X, and] B also does/is X, including just being a more emphatic/emotional variant of は or が. "The criminals too, they were even arrested but have already been released," or something.
     
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  2. Astro48

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    NGT48 isn't only dead, it's already decomposed. What you can expect again?
     
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  3. FMecha

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    Since you're going to keep campaigning for the Hokkaido-based group everyday until everyone (AKS - who wouldn't probably listen because of language barrier - and fans) like it, let me tell you something:

    Management in other sister groups aren't incident-free you know, much less your proposed (and shoved down-the-throat here) Hokkaido group. Remember that one incident where an STU manager insulted Kahotaru by comparing her to an AV idol a while back?

    Sponsors and management staff aren't hired in one day too.
    Disclosure: I'm not even an NGT fan or supporting any of the mismanagement that led to this mess.
     
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  5. Dirkkun

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    http://40298ch.com/test/read.cgi/karakoro/1548413013/143
    Niigata Friend - Lotti's Nakaoka did not tweet about the show (as he usually does) plus more speculations about the next episode.

    One article about who owns and manage the 48 groups.

    One article about pressure from the internet being suspected in loss of sponsor.

    One board message: "All members disappeared from gyaranomi list, perhaps dissolution". Unknown meaning or even if it is related.

    Ayakani has been liking other people's posts on instagram recently.

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    Unrelated edit. This guy is dedicated :^O^:
    https://i.imgur.com/zEhLOUb.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/HjtP9QV.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/UzdRZR1.jpg
     
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  6. wlerin

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    Antis usually are.
     
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  8. Cisalpine88

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    Ah, interesting, considering how she didn't even have the time to clear her Instagram's comment section of any negative posts, like Gatanee was evidently busy doing over these weeks. Anything regarding what she has liked? I had been checking for recent activities through the Instagram app but nothing showed up for me, maybe it's too late in the timeline for it to show up.

    Nevermind. It's just these two entries, apparently done sometimes two weeks ago:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BlSeO7Ali6J/
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BtkPXWjBe9u/
     
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  9. Dill

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    the second one has been removed? what it was?
     
  10. Cisalpine88

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    It was a post by an idol named Mori Miharu (森みはる) of an underground group called 26-ji no Masquerade (26時のマスカレイド), mentioning a concert they held the previous day on February 6. Looks like the whole account has since been set to private and I managed to catch it just in time. Huh...
     
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  11. Dirkkun

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    http://40298ch.com/test/read.cgi/karakoro/1548413013/145

    Inapooh tweeted he was not going back to Niigata until April 19, which also happens to be Seiji Reina's birthday.

    Ogiyuka will appear on TV Tokyo's 「家、ついて行ってイイですか?」, triggering a lot of wotas.

    Riko mobame: Tests successfully completed, contacted Maho and rehabilitation without a cane.

    First Murakumo photolog in a long time.
    More on the 'bad things' from Feb. 19

    Guy posted claiming he heard details from the brother of a member.
    The gyaranomi thing seems linked to threads from Jan 9.

    Edit: Future tense for Yuka's appearance since it's on the 27th.
     
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  12. shining445

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    "Inapooh tweeted he was not going back to Niigata until April 19th"

    Everytime I'm seeing an activity or response from him my blood boils.


    "Guy posted claiming he heard details from the brother of a member"

    In regards to Maho? Is there an article circulating? That would be interesting to see translated.
     
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  13. Dirkkun

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    Checking quickly, it seems to be a repost of a old girl's channel post and not really a new thing.
    https://girlschannel.net/comment/2009610/8207/ from Feb 11 if you want to google translate it. :^O^:

    It basically says that Ayakani and Gatanee brought the 3 guys to Kani's apartment, but weren't aware the guys had planned to attack Maho and were taken somewhere else by Kaisei before it happened. Anju is the third leaker that Maho mentioned but otherwise unrelated. Ogiyuka might have pulled the strings behind the incident through Inapooh. Kato and Yamada have nothing to do with it at all as they aren't connected to Jo-kai.

    Things didn't go as planned for the guys... Management then made everything worst by being idiots.

    Now, random person on the internet claiming to have talked to someone claiming to have info should be taken with a bucket of salt.
     
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  14. wlerin

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    Ogiyuka is scheduled to appear in the 2/27 episode, and that's not really what it says about the reaction. It's about the show's title.

    Considering the original was posted to girlschannel, a forum of people who hate 48G but don't really have a clue, I'm not sure a bucket is enough.
     
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  15. Dirkkun

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    I read the thread yesterday. https://www.logsoku.com/r/2ch.sc/akb/1550724567/
    Which is why I said that about wotas being triggered. The fact she went on a show with that name made some people go into anti overdrive.

    I would've thought you'd like a statement that pretty much says that the members are not criminals (Ogiyuka just being a theory, not an actual accusation). It might lead a few people to more moderation in their declarations that the whole group is rotten.

    But then again you have people like https://twitter.com/terra_break/with_replies who pretty much harass any member, related or not...
     
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  16. wlerin

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    I wouldn't call that "triggered". They're just looking for any old excuse to shitpost, this happened to be a good one. That doesn't mean it has any bearing on anything outside of 2ch.

    I don't think summarizing every update to that thread is worthwhile or constructive, unless you're going to exercise more discretion about what actually has bearing on the case.
     
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  17. Dill

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    I actually appreciate the effort @Drikkun is making since I'm sadly one of those people who can't read japanese well nor have time to check every source out there.
    I find more useful the way he is posting brief reports daily than 10 pages of the same people saying the same things in posts that never end over and over. And then the eventual correction are also appreciate.
    But this is just me.
    Anyway, thanks. And thanks @Cisalpine88 for the answer
     
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  18. Dirkkun

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    http://40298ch.com/test/read.cgi/karakoro/1548413013/160
    A daily news online article about the loss of IK sponsorship.

    Maho+Riko are not in the Feb. location photocards. There's an ad for NEW ERA cap with Maho included.

    Photos of Maho at Liberty in Akiba have sharply risen in price.

    An except of a text about untrustworthy companies. Said to apply to NGT management. https://twitter.com/speranzom/status/1100067372784848896

    Riko announced her "high school graduation decision" on mobame.

    @Cisalpine88 translated a mention of "Team Angels" from Kusakabe's instagram.
    https://twitter.com/speranzom/status/1099369355018670080

    http://40298ch.com/test/read.cgi/karakoro/1548413013/161

    Niigata Daily article

    About 60 tweets were deleted from Maho's Twitter. Unknown who deleted them.
    The deleted tweets didn't target anyone in particular and ranged from normal convo to radio promos stuff.

    Mobile mail from Riko talking about having cut her hair short to refresh herself and surprise Maho.
    http://40298ch.com/test/read.cgi/karakoro/1548413013/168

    On Feb. 15, allegations that the criminal group was going to try to make up a scandal for Maho for March was discussed. On the 25th, someone attempted to bring up a connection between Kaisei and Maho and is suspected to be part of that smear campaign.

    Sougodori, a twitter user, gives a strange theory involving a yakkai. (That twitter account is now gone.)

    More about that yakkai.

    Considerations about "Is the staff also involved in the assault?"

    Some guy scammed people (or attempted to) with a crowd fund about placing an advert to support NGT members in the Niigata Daily.

    A scan of part of a Nikkei Trendy article.

    Tano was spotted in Osaka
    https://twitter.com/qc_bb/status/1099842712914747392

    A tweet showing an old video of Yamada making fun of Maho.
    http://40298ch.com/test/read.cgi/karakoro/1548413013/170-171

    Ogiyuka dropped to last row in Jiwaru Days (Pos. 17). She was 2nd row (Pos. 13) in No Way Man.

    Lotti lightly touches the incident in the opening of Niigata Friend.

    The NGT 3rd Party comittee is given as an example in the evening edition of Mainichi Shinbun in an article about 3rd party comittees.
    https://twitter.com/qc_bb/status/1100516674250231808

    People noticed that Maho's mobame from Dec. 10 could have been a hidden vertical message.

    Screencaps of Maho's mobile mails since the incident have been leaked.

    Edits: Feb. 23, 24, 25, 26 and @Cisalpine88 tweet added
     
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  19. Cisalpine88

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    Since I have noticed your request, here are the key passages inside. As a precaution, take it all as a fictional reconstruction of the events (in other words, no more than the management's evasive explanation, or the versions peddled by tabloids to unsuccessfully influence public opinion) for now. Though the actual reason in this case is because, over this past month and a half, there've already been enough posts all over the message boards and other SNS, claiming (or otherwise being interpreted) as coming from sources close to the members themselves, or any other parties involved.
    I heard this directly from the brothers of some certain members, but at first Tano, Nishigata and the three men were over at Tano's apartment. With both Tano and Kitagawa (Jo), and Nishigata and Kaisei, having become somewhat of a couple, it seems they had been planning to set up Kasai (Hiroaki) with Yamaguchi-san as well.
    However, as things went differently from what Nishigata and Tano had thought, the men planned to go assault her right from the beginning, it seems, which then turned into today's incident.
    Kaisei got scared and didn't want to get involved into any of this, so apparently he brought Tano and Nishigata with him out of the apartment building, with the intention of getting away from the scene of the crime.
    Therefore, the two members didn't think about pushing them into committing any assault, but it's also true that they still provided a variety of informations. Tano in particular, if other additional offences would be brought up, there'll be many more things for which she will still keep being held in suspicion.
    Also, another one of the three people who gave informations is Sato (Anju), but it appears she honestly didn't have ill intentions.

    The thing is, from the standpoint of Yamaguchi-san, considering she found herself assaulted, she asked that the members in a relationship with such guys be given a punishment, on the basis that other members too might be under threat of being harmed as well. But from the standpoint of those two (especially Tano), they argued that "We brought these men over, sure, but had no intention of having them commit any assault, so it would be cruel to make us resign from our job for this", which is when this condition of enmity then came to be.
    Moreover, those members who consider it acceptable to use big-spending fans for their advantage kept being good friends as usual with the offending members even after the incident, but as they ended up in a way serving as enablers for Tano who had turned antagonistic in attitude, this all pushed Yamaguchi-san at her wit's end.
    Regarding Ogino, while she is in no relationship, she is of course aware Inaoka is one of her big-spending fans, just as she knows that he and the gang he is in are scum, but because he is convenient for her own purposes, she kept taking advantage of him skillfully enough, by leaving him be.
    If I should use a term, her figure was like that of a secret boss, taking the most profit of all without getting her own hands dirty.
    Moreover, by reasoning that her own activities would be taking a hit too even following the incident, she turned Tano and Nishigata into her allies and apparently she proceeded to criticize Yamaguchi-san.

    As an aside, Yamada (Noe) and Kato (Minami), who are also both suspected, have no connection whatsoever with the men. They frolic around a little to some degree, with the help of the other members, although it looks like they have nothing to do with it in a significant way.
     
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    BNK's agency is recruiting a psychologist. AKS can't relate.

    So, anything not conforming with your theory is manipulated by the agency? This story is so unnecessary for the agency who is waiting for the scandal to die out.

    The case will go nowhere and will lead to nothing Maho had hoped. Nothing will change in the large picture of idol system, of AKS' management.
     
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