Single Keyakizaka46 8th [Kuroi Hitsuji] (2019/02/27)

The reason to keep going as now is so that comparisons to the past can be more equivalent. The reason for a mix -- as Billboard has long done and Oricon may or may not be beginning to -- is for accuracy of reporting current popularity. I think the second approach is inescapable now, so the real question is how to weight the various forms of sales. I guess they will weight them in a way that helps companies determine how much money they can make. People will buy music in the form they personally find best, and companies will watch and listen and conform. That page linked to by @Hamasaki90 is very interesting, showing how much money each form of distribution makes in a number of different countries.

Is the main Oricon chart we see now still based entirely on physical sales? Or have they folded in some digital sales, as I thought they were going to? If they have changed it in some way, has it ceased to be a good comparison for current and past sales?

 

I guess I can chip in for @gocchisama 's topic.

I don’t know how the idol industry works, analytics, metrics of success, etc…I’m just a simple fan. So my answers below are purely my personal views.

Compact Disc - To be honest, I haven’t buy a CD in…wow, probably since 2009 or so. I feel that a physical CD these days is something that is “nice to have” not really “must have”. It’s worth owning if it’s a special edition kind of thing, with some additional/extra valuable contents to go with it. But in the context of idol…I’m maybe wrong, but CD purchases are related to HS events, yes? So while it’s not my preferred option, I can understand why it’s still alive and well.

Digital download (iTunes) - my go-to option for my Sakamichi music cravings. Paying for digital downloads is my small way of supporting the idol groups that I love (aside from buying member photobooks). I don’t always have internet line for streaming, so I would like to have the digital files stored and backed-up somewhere ready to be loaded onto my various devices (phone, USB drive in my car, PC, etc).

Streaming (in my case, Spotify) - the most convenient option, provided there’s wi-fi. At work, this is my primary source of music and podcast listening. However…the Spotify streaming model may not benefit artists/podcasters financially (Steven Tyler of Aerosmith had said so in a podcast interview). In terms of exposure, sure. That’s a benefit.

Times change, and with it how we consume entertainment changes as well. I don’t actually watch TV these days, I have my fill of entertainment from my Netflix app and WWE Network. As long as you’re enjoying the songs from idols you love, whatever platform….whatever channel or media, I believe it’s all good. The love & support is all that matters.

 

For "songs poularity" japanese Billboard chart is surely more reliable than the Oricon chart.

 

Silent Majority is basically a classic, and a hit song on its own right. When it came out, nobody had heard of Keyakizaka46, so low sales numbers. Imagine if Silent Majority didn't debut until the next (9th single). I could bet money it would probably sell close to 1 million on its first day.

 

Hmm.. I don't know, we might not have the same image (exact same degree) as Keyakizaka46 has right now and the public wouldn't be as impressed with Keyakizaka46 and as hooked as they are now. If they debuted with SekaAi, I believe they would take longer to get to where they are right now when they debuted with Silent Majority. We could maybe reach 1 mil on the long run, but first day or first week, I don't think that would happen. I believe taking out Silent Majority from their beginning story would make a different storyline and who knows, perhaps we would have or they would go for a different image of the group if they didn't debut with Silent Majority...

 

Oricon Day 2 sales: 106,976 (652,211)

Oricon now has a weekly overall chart (different from weekly physical) that combines physical, digital and streaming. The numbers are additive and expressed as 'points'.

 

Keyakizaka46's 8th single (Kuroi Hitsuji) 5th round HS sales result
rank. (prev. rank.) sold slots/total slots (+change) member name

01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Uemura Rina (1st round sold out!)
01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Koike Minami (1st round sold out!)
01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Kobayashi Yui (1st round sold out!)
01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Sugai Yuuka (1st round sold out!)
01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Nagasawa Nanako (1st round sold out!)
01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Nagahama Neru (1st round sold out!)
01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Watanabe Rika (1st round sold out!)
01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Watanabe Risa (1st round sold out!)
09. (09.) 24/24 (+00) Habu Mizuho (2nd round sold out!)
09. (09.) 24/24 (+00) Moriya Akane (2nd round sold out!)
09. (09.) 24/24 (+00) Suzumoto Miyu (2nd round sold out!)
09. (09.) 24/24 (+00) Ozeki Rika (2nd round sold out!)
13. (13.) 24/24 (+00) Sato Shiori (3rd round sold out!)
14. (14.) 24/24 (+00) Saito Fuyuka (4th round sold out!)
15. (15.) 24/24 (+01) Oda Nana (5th round sold out!)
16. (16.) 22/24 (+04) Ishimori Nijika
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Kakizaki Memi (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Kato Shiho (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Kanemura Miku (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Kawata Hina (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Kosaka Nao (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Saito Kyoko (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Sasaki Mirei (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Takamoto Ayaka (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Nibu Akari (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Higashimura Mei (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Matsuda Konoka (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Miyata Manamo (1st round sold out!)
17. (17.) 12/12 (+00) Watanabe Miho (1st round sold out!)
30. (30.) 12/12 (+00) Ushio Sarina (2nd round sold out!)
30. (30.) 12/12 (+00) Tomita Suzuka (2nd round sold out!)
30. (30.) 12/12 (+00) Hamagishi Hiyori (2nd round sold out!)
30. (30.) 12/12 (+00) Sasaki Kumi (2nd round sold out!)
34. (34.) 12/12 (+00) Takase Mana (4th round sold out!)
35. (35.) 12/12 (+01) Iguchi Mao (5th round sold out!)
Total: 610/612 (+6 since 4th round) [99.7%]

Kanji total: 382/384 (+5) [99.5%]
Hinatazaka total: 228/228 (+1) [100%]

Hinata 1st Gen: 120/120 (+1) [100%]
Hinata 2nd Gen: 108/108 (+0) [100%]​

691/810 (- 81) last single (increase/decrease over 7th single 5th round)

 

Day 2 sales are the third-highest day 2 in the history of Sakamichi. Here are the five 2nd days with sales over 100,000 (source):

Ambivalent 118,984
Harujion (Nogi) 113,820
Kuroi Hitsuji 106,976
Kaerimiichi (Nogi) 105,635
Synchronicity (Nogi) 102,038

Now for day 3....

Sounds about right. I just meant that times had changed and here we are at a pretty high level already, so I don't have to feel bad about sales. Not saying this is superior. SaiMajo is definitely a classic. It made this group.

Handshake sales are fantastic: everybody but Nijika sold out. Some lucky applicants are going to get Nijika tickets now. Thanks for the post, @EinhanderX.

@ZenigameX -- Thanks for the info. I'll look for the new chart. Since it's expressed in points, maybe they can normalize it to be equivalent to past results and go on from there.

EDIT: Not sure about the timing, but now there are reports that the song is doing very well in digital downloads: #1 on LINE and AWA, #2 on iTunes, #5 on Apple Music. This is apparently high for an idol song and suggests sales could extend.

EDIT: Fukase of Sekai no Owari says that watching Kuroi Hitsuji made the tears stream down his face. "How wonderful!" he said.

 

fyi, Kuroi Hitsuji already on spotify

 

The Billboard chart is a better indicator of how popular a song is in Japan since it combines physical sales, downloads, streaming and radio airplay. Here is the link to the 2018 year end chart.
https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2018/japan-hot-100
It's a different picture than looking at physical sales only, most interestingly Silent Majority comes in at 47 that song has some ridiculous staying power.

 

Really hoping that Nijika is able to sell out those two slots.

I think it would be the first time a 48/46 single is 100% booked?

 

After a couple of days anxiously waiting, the single* is finally out on iTunes! Yay, instant purchase. Also, out on Spotify as mentioned above by @ganyabubrown. It's gonna be a good day listening to this single at work today.

*not sure what the "Special Edition" entails, but it's alright by me.

 

If nobody uses CD's to listen music, then why the music CD still exists?. Thanks to the CD's many people have access to different content. Not all the countries are the "first world" (sorry but I personally hate that term), I have visited countries with high poverty and I known families without internet access and uses CD players to listen to the music that they have bought and that I give them.

Also, thanks to the CD's sadly the piracy exists but I hate to admit... the piracy helped a lot to know about certain music or groups. And all of us consume piracy almost without realizing it.

In my case, I love to collect music. I have hundreds of vinyl, cassettes and CD and there is many people here and worldwide who do the same. I know 8 on my groups who do the same and I go out with 2 of my city to "hunt" music. (Actually I had some problems with my girfriend on the begining hehe).

On Keyakizaka46 and other idol groups, those sales help the groups too. All the goods related to the groups, helps a lot and there is small idol groups who depends of their low sales.

A CD is like a children for the artist, is a reflection of their hard work they want to share. Is their love... just look at the artist eyes when they promoting their CD.

I feel bad when someone disrespect the hard work... all the tears and injuries.

Here are people who buy many copies and give it to those who can not buy (I also know people who give it with HS ticket also).

 

Listening to the single for awhile now and the single is pretty solid. My fav song is definitely "Nobody" tho. I constantly have it on repeat.

 

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They finally add Kuroi Hitsuji mv to their youtube channel

 

Day 3 sales: 33,348 (685,559)

 

I really want a full performance of Kuroi Hitsuji (particularly for Techi's solo line). Is there a possibility they'll go to AKB48 Show before it's done?

 

Day 4 sales: 25,714 (711,273)

 

Maybe it's an impossible wish, but I pray for 1M sales for the first week