2019 Member Ranking Result Reveal (All ranks revealed!)

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  1. bonjourmarlene

    bonjourmarlene Upcoming Girls

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    1. 9. (6) [18|4] [NGT] Yamaguchi Maho{+163,-19}, 144
    ...
    13. 3. (1) [39|5] [AKB] Okada Nana{+279,-20}, 259
    14. 6. (18) [33|1] [AKB] Murayama Yuiri{+171,-5}, 166

    ...

    These were my last members in the running. I'm reaaally surprised that Naachan didn't make it to number 1 this year. Why so many negatives?? Anyway, I guess congrats to Sakamichi!! Maybe it's really time for me to check them out
     
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  2. theobserver

    theobserver Upcoming Girls

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    The results are out!

    (and my predictions were as expected wrong...)

    Anyway, the full list:

    01. Kaki Haruka (+15)
    02. Takahashi Juri (+10)
    03. Miyawaki Sakura (+9) NEW
    04. Kosaka Nao (+8)
    05. Yokono Sumire (+7)
    06. Saito Asuka (+6) NEW
    07. Yoshikawa Nanase (+5)
    08. Shimizu Maria (+5)
    09. Sakaki Miyu (+4)
    10. Matsuda Konoka (+4)
    11. Hashimoto Haruna (+4)
    12. Kamimura Hinano (+3)
    13. Gyoten Yurina (+3)
    14. Higuchi Hina (+3)
    15. Tomita Suzuka (+2)
    16. Muto Tomu (+2)
    17. Sasaki Mirei (+2)
    18. Hayakawa Seira (+1)
    19. Yahagi Moeka (+1)
    20. Okabe Rin (+1)
     
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  3. Tuhis

    Tuhis Kenkyuusei

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    Might as well reveal mine too.

    01. Furuhata Nao (+15)
    02. Nojima Kano (+10)
    03. Yamamoto Ayaka (+9)
    04. Aoumi Hinano (+8)
    05. Otani Marina (+7)
    06. Tanaka Natsumi (+6)
    07. Moriyasu Madoka (+5)
    08. Shiroma Miru (+5)
    09. Akiyoshi Yuka (+4)
    10. Ikeda Kaede (+4)
    11. Otake Hitomi (+4)
    12. Kubo Satone (+3)
    13. Ma Chia-Ling (+3)
    14. Okada Nana (+3)
    15. Nomura Miyo (+2)
    16. Tani Marika (+2)
    17. Kato Yuuka (+2)
    18. Ishida Chiho (+1)
    19. Takeda Tomoka (+1)
    20. Matsumoto Hinata (+1)

    01. Minegishi Minami (-5)
    02. Shimoguchi Hinana (-4)
    03. Nakai Rika (-3)
    04. Sasaki Yukari (-2)
    05. Mogi Shinobu (-1)
     
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  4. sdn48oshi

    sdn48oshi Kenkyuusei

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    That’s true for me. I only got into the sakamichi groups as much as I did because I genuinely feel icky spending money on 48G stuff and listening to their music regularly. I have literally no interest in supporting any 48G members after the Maho thing.

    It also helps that sakamichi makes way better music.
     
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  5. Erbeon

    Erbeon Kenkyuusei

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    So we have TOP10 and I've voted for 5 people here IN PLUS and 1 IN MINUS.

    04. Nishino Nanase (+8)
    She was my first choice as Nogi-oshi thanks to drama where she has played some rich girl who has even complained about fanservice in AKB48 in some dialogue... And later we've recieved her photobooks :^O^:

    But in other words. I really liked her vibes, beauty and cuteness. Here we go. It was the last chance to give to her my votes.

    *drumroll*
    01. Oguri Yui (+15)
    Probably everyone who has checked my profile photo and Oshimen field in profile knew that I will give my first place to Yuiyuias I gave to her my heart and soul before :inlove: When I've started to be AKB fan I looked for some idol who will be real "girl next door", what is main idea of AKB... Acchan has already graduated, Yukirin and Sayanee had too big fanbase already and also were quite too old for this image. And then I found her, a little Toyota Princess from Tokyo who has took possesion over my heart and is undoubtly impossible to remove from my 1st place.
    Anyway. I'm so happy, that she has jumped into TOP10 in comparision to 21st place last year! :blush:

    20. Murayama Yuiri (+1)
    I really appreciate how Yuiri has developed in last year. I didn't know her very well before 2019, but she has escaped from shadow (in my opinion) and now she's one of top members in AKB.

    But why has she took from Yuiyui position 2-3 in last single :asdfgh: <== If someone can't read irony, then it's a joke.

    18. Kashiwagi Yuki (+1)
    Yukirin. One of my first choices as member to follow in AKB, when I've started to follow this group. I wanted to give her that 1 point in name of old affection.

    *drumroll*
    03. Ikuta Erika (+9)
    Erika, my dearest Erika. Since Nanase has graduated I've just her as my first choice in Nogizaka. I'm so happy that she has won this ranking. Her charmness is awesome and I can watch some of her funny shots from Nogi programs on YouTube constantly. Just no words... Perfect girl.
    BTW: She has gained same amount of points as Asuka with one voice less, so she is the real winner :awesome:

    01. Oguri Yui (+15)
    02. Komiyama Haruka (+10)
    03. Ikuta Erika (+9)
    04. Nishino Nanase (+8)

    05. Muto Tomu (+7)
    06. Yoda Yuki (+6)
    07. Muto Orin (+5)
    08. Okabe Rin (+5)
    09. Nishikawa Rei (+4)
    10. Fukuoka Seina (+4)
    11. Chiba Erii (+4)
    12. Yabuki Nako (+3)
    13. Tanaka Miku (+3)
    14. Sashihara Rino (+3)
    15. Fujizono Rei (+2)
    16. Onishi Momoka (+2)
    17. Yoshikawa Nanase (+2)
    18. Kashiwagi Yuki (+1)
    19. Kojima Mako (+1)
    20. Murayama Yuiri (+1)

    MY NEGATIVES ARE SECRET, but not Okada Nana here ^^
     
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  6. Dokuro3313

    Dokuro3313 Kenkyuusei

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    My full list:
    01. Onishi Momoka (+15)
    02. Ota Yuuri (+10)
    03. Yamamoto Ayaka (+9)
    04. Yamada Noe (+8)
    05. Yabushita Fu (+7)
    06. Hongo Yuzuha (+6)
    07. Yamashita Emiri (+5)
    08. Takino Yumiko (+5)
    09. Takayanagi Akane (+4)
    10. Hidaka Yuzuki (+4)
    11. Hama Sayuna (+4)
    12. Asai Yuka (+3)
    13. Cho Kurena (+3)
    14. Nakanishi Chiyori (+3)
    15. Kashiwagi Yuki (+2)
    16. Shibuya Nagisa (+2)
    17. Kumazaki Haruka (+2)
    18. Sato Kaho (+1)
    19. Ota Nao (+1)
    20. Kawamata Yuuna (+1)

    01. Yamaguchi Maho (-5)
    02. Umeyama Cocona (-4)
    03. Sato Anju (-3)
    04. Suzuki Kurumi (-2)

    I'm glad having participated this year.
    And guys: opinions are different and individual.
     
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  7. sscrla

    sscrla Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    Do you mean "would have won"?
    In the 2015 Ranking, Paruru pulled off a double win, even though she finished fifth.

    5. (1) [79|25] Shimazaki Haruka{+578,-111}, 467

    Her 578 positive points were more than anyone's, topping the actual winner Mayuyu by 23 points, and her 111 negatives were off the chart (to be topped last year by Tano Ayaka's 125).
     
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  8. Erbeon

    Erbeon Kenkyuusei

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    Oh, I forget to write in my result reveal... Thank You kanjo for this event and Your hard work! :worthy:

    But for future...

    I definitely agree that it's good to remove negative votes from next year. It's better to just vote for girls who we like.

    As some payback maybe it's good to increase number of girls for who we can vote? We can use point system like this one from Biathlon World Cup(or another winter sports, because they had historically nice TOP25 and TOP30 point systems). Please remember that number of girls in all groups has increased dramatically since this voting system has been created.

    Some examples of two TOP25 point systems and one example of one TOP30:
    TOP25_v1.jpg
    TOP25_v2.jpg
    TOP30.jpg
     
  9. ForrestFuller

    ForrestFuller Future Girls

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    The Rest of my votes

    01. Miyawaki Sakura (+15)
    02. Matsui Jurina (+10)
    03. Homma Hinata (+9)
    04. Okada Nana (+8)
    05. Cherprang Areekul (+7)
    06. Saito Asuka (+6)
    07. Sashihara Rino (+5)
    08. Kashiwagi Yuki (+5)

    09. Takakura Moeka (+4)
    10. Suda Akari (+4)
    11. Shiroma Miru (+4)
    12. Oguri Yui (+3)
    13. Minegishi Minami (+3)
    14. Yokoyama Yui (+3)
    15. Mukaichi Mion (+2)
    16. Nishino Nanase (+2)
    17. Ikuta Erika (+2)
    18. Akimoto Manatsu (+1)
    19. Yahagi Moeka (+1)

    20. Khushi Dua (+1)

    01. Tano Ayaka (-5)
    02. Nishigata Marina (-4)
    03. Ogino Yuka (-3)
    04. Kato Minami (-2)
    05. Takahashi Juri (-1)

    So the 2nd time in the 13 years that these rankings that have been done, we have a tie. Well I was already thinking we'd be making history with this edition (and we did with our first Nogi winners). :fp: smh at the 5 people who gave Okada Nana negative votes.

    Congrats to Ikuta and Asuka on winning (If going by the last time we had a tie, one of those two is winning next year).
     
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  10. ranchu

    ranchu Kenkyuusei

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    I agree we need more spots to vote.
     
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  11. Aka

    Aka Upcoming Girls

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    How about this: you can give negative votes, but you have to do it publicly and justify them, otherwise they won't count.

    I had another suggestion, that for every negative vote you give you lose one of your 95 positive votes at your choice from your top-5. But that would be a pain in the ass for @kanjo.
     
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  12. MrQazman

    MrQazman Kenkyuusei

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    01. Okada Nana (+15)
    02. Murayama Yuiri (+10)

    03. Minegishi Minami (+9)
    04. Kashiwagi Yuki (+8)
    05. Furuhata Nao (+7)
    06. Jonishi Rei (+6)
    07. Shiroma Miru (+5)
    08. Mogi Shinobu (+5)
    09. Sashihara Rino (+4)
    10. Takayama Kazumi (+4)
    11. Iwatate Saho (+4)
    12. Shinozaki Ayana (+3)
    13. Matsui Jurina (+3)
    14. Ikuta Erika (+3)
    15. Mukaichi Mion(+2)
    16. Yokono Sumire (+2)
    17. Tanaka Natsumi (+2)
    18. Uchiyama Mikoto (+1)
    19. Moriya Akane (+1)
    20. Saito Makiko (+1)
     
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  13. Generic_User

    Generic_User Upcoming Girls Stage48 Donor

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    The best way to deal with the negative votes is to make all ballots public after the all rankings have been revealed.

    No secrets. You'll be on the hook for your votes -- good or bad. It's the bed you made.
     
  14. rka

    rka Future Girls Stage48 Donor

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    Why shall negative votes be "dealt with"?
     
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  15. sscrla

    sscrla Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    Who here isn't revealing negative votes? I see plenty of posts with negatives. If you don't see the negatives, then you aren't seeing the positives either.

    I don't see any problem with negative votes, nor with positive votes. Lots of people vote for members I wouldn't vote for (e.g., I have never voted for a member of Iz*One, ever), but you choose who you want to vote for.

    This is just supposed to be fun, and if 25 people gave negative votes to Paruru in 2015, so what? I like her, and people giving her negative votes doesn't change that.
     
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  16. Pheebs

    Pheebs Kenkyuusei

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    Very true. I guess people won't reveal them because they don't want anyone to give them negative ratings
     
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  17. AloNeko

    AloNeko Kenkyuusei

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    Opinion...nothing more or less...
    Hynk...
     
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  18. Doraleous

    Doraleous Kenkyuusei

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    Obviously, this is just for fun, but if you don't care that much, why even vote? People giving negative votes to a girl you like doesn't change you liking them, obviously, but it changes the result of the election and the election is an event to see who comes out on top, not a test of who will keep liking their faves after it's over.

    Saying people won't vote for your favourites is the same thing as people will give anti-votes to different people from you is just putting two very different actions in the same basket.

    One is just the simple core of any election, you can't have one without votes, the other is giving people the power to nullify other people's votes, which is not something you see in any normal election. And also something very few people do here and justify (aside from the easy NGT case, like I already said). I myself called out one negative vote out of dislike (Gyoten Yurina) and another out of sheer curiosity (Yamasaki Ten) and never got any answer. Plenty of people are asking why Okada got -20 besides her being the previous winner and all they got was silence. Not to mention random negs for people like Sasaki Yukari (who was left with a negative score this year because her negative votes gave her -2 and her positive voter gave her +1, big joke), Matsuoka Natsumi, Seimiya Rei and others who were asked about and never justified. Not to mention I didn't get salty enough to call out the negs on Hana-chan but I certainly didn't like them.

    Asking for negatives to be revealed is not reasonable IMO, but giving people the power to do negatives with no repercussion leads to this argument about the fairness of negative votes which is totally fine, imo.

    There is a clause saying negative votes need solid reasoning behind them but it's more fluff than anything else.

    kanjo himself said:

    "There has always been hatred for girls on the top. That's undeniable.";

    "I do support the existence of negative votes. Despite how they can be abused for strategic reasons";

    and the final red flag:

    "I think the issue with Okada is that she won three years in a row."

    Negative voting for strategic reasons is something I'd bet a lot of people would not consider fair, and I do consider negative voting for petty/superficial reasons to be bad as well but that is me.

    It makes me feel more on the side of someone like @Sailor Miyawaki who presented an interesting case and made me curious about whether negative votes were given to Okada Nana by people with only/mainly Sakamichi positive votes, which would make them pretty stupid and unfair tbh.

    Thankfully, by a miraculous difference of 1, those negative votes didn't influence the election this year but I'd hate to see that ever happen.

    Like you said, it's just for fun, there's no need to get angry or upset over this, but discussing the rules is obviously also fine.

    Seeing as many posters also voiced their discontent with random negatives who are not justified, both at the top and at the middle of the rankings, it'd be cool to see a review of these rules and maybe a poll with options like:

    1-Keep the negative votes as they are
    2-Keep the negatives but enforce an exposing and justification of them
    3-No more negative votes
    4-Expand the number of positive votes
    5-Something else;

    This is no request to put more work in the hands of @kanjo though, if the forums were all for it, I'd be willing to help that happen, though I think it'd only have any pull if it had the presence of a mod behind it.
     
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  19. Generic_User

    Generic_User Upcoming Girls Stage48 Donor

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    "Dealt with" meaning how best to handle people's frustration with their use. Not "dealt with" meaning retaliation. Sorry about the confusion.
     
  20. sdn48oshi

    sdn48oshi Kenkyuusei

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    I don’t believe in the concept of their being “legitimate” and “non-legitimate” reasons for casting negative votes. It’s just like with reasons for liking the members. Some people like a member bc they like their hairstyle, or bc they like their personality, or think they have good morals, or whatever. All are perfectly acceptable.

    I say keep votes the way they are. Why do we need to make people justify their negative votes? It’s nobody’s business. Why are we policing how people on an online forum are ranking members of an idol group?

    But at the same time, people do have to deal with the fact that sometimes people’s votes do show their true character. Some people cast votes in a more competitive manner, some people cast votes bc they have terrible morals (*cough* neg Maho votes *cough*), etc. Everyone is different and has a different moral compass, and it’s not anyone else’s business.

    Obviously this doesn’t refer to descriminatory/racist/homophobic/etc. thoughts and vote explanations. Those def shouldn’t be allowed.




    Anyways, my final ranking:
    01. Yamaguchi Maho (+15)
    02. Hasegawa arena (+10)
    03. Sugahara Riko (+9)
    04. Kotera Mari (+8)
    05. Hirate Yurina (+7)
    06. Nagahama Neru (+6)
    07. Kosaka Nao (+5)
    08. Kwon Eunbi (+5)
    09. Jo Yuri (+4)
    10. Kakizaka Memi (+4)
    11. Saito Asuka (+4)
    12. Hori Miona (+3)
    13. Kubo Shiori (+3)
    14. Yabuki Nako (+3)
    15. Nishino Nanase (+2)
    16. Akimoto Manatsu (+2)
    17. Terada Ranze (+2)
    18. Watanabe Miria (+1)
    19. Umezawa Minami (+1)
    20. Ozono Momoka (+1)


    01. Nishigata Marina (-5)
    02. Tano Ayaka (-4)
    03. Kato Minami (-3)
    04. Ogino Yuka (-2)
    05. Yamada Noe (-1)
     
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