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[GENERAL] The Keyakizaka46 Thread

Discussion in 'General Keyakizaka46 Discussion' started by ForrestFuller, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. Rev4

    Rev4 Kenkyuusei

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    I see.

    Yeah, I'm still surprised that some in Japan takes rumors as official news and even some consider this scandal because it came from her brother as family answer. I feel terribly sorry for Zuumin and Keyakizaka. If this has popped up and yahoo news are riding on the publicity it's time the girls and Zuumin teach Bunshun and rumors in general a lesson by proving this is false.

    Bunshun is lacking scandals now and need something to bring up as news and they find a rumor and try too hard with Zuumin's brother :fp:
     
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  2. miyabi

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    Fyi, there are 5 members who are hinted to be culprits: Moriya Akane, Uemura Rina, Saito Fuyuka, Ishimori Nijika and Sato Shiori. And those bullies are reported to happen during 2017 summer tour while those pictures also took at that time.

    Btw, reading those comments from yahoo really annoyed me. Those top commemts totally jumped on seeing that all things are true while as a fans, I can see a lot of "holes" in this bully drama
     
  3. Iamyoung

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    If we didn't know Bunshun we will probably be them right now but we do know them, and very well at that too and we are even foreigners so if those fans are believing such news 'because it is from the brother', as claimed by Bunshun (We don't even know if that is true since Bunshun are straight-up liars) then shame on them.
     
  4. Rev4

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    Non-wota jumped to conclusion but fans looked into this and some comment even brought up Eccentric as a big example of a rumor drama in the real world these girls sing about. You shouldn't take rumors so seriously which is actually true for any hollow news. I even read a comment who said this situation is worse than NGT and other non-wota said we have not much evidence to go from as in case with NGT the person sold the information to Bunshun. They didn't even asked the brother about his thoughts on it.

    If you have common sense you would actually know Keyaki has many fans and also many haters. Korean forums in 2017 made fun of Keyaki's dance and thought they were weird. Members on 2ch forum had a big group of Keyaki haters in 2017 and probably is Zuumin's brother one of them. We don't know as my info about Zuumin's brother is also hollow.
     
  5. keyak

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    Lol, this whole “scandal” made me laugh. The topic isn’t even debatable.

    For what it’s worth, I have a large group of friends who are huge fans of Zuumin, and none of them believe this rumor has any merit. Antis must be having a field day though.

    Anyway, nice try Bunshun ;)

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    v. If their ‘news’ is nothing more than an unconfirmed interview with Z’s brother (as in, this is their SOLE source, and everything else being speculation), then that’s all the more reason for us to dismiss it until something of actual substance comes up, which I highly doubt. But I’m sure antis are conveniently ignoring the fact that Z’s post-grad interviews/talks all point towards her leaving the group on friendly terms; not to mention, she even said recently that she hopes the members can come see her stage play in their free time. Sure sounds like something a ‘bullied’ former member might say, right?
     
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  6. biboloxo

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    Well, considering they were the one who found out about Matsumura Sayuri and tons of AKB's members scandals, I don't think you guys can just treat their news as just mere rumors. Plus along with the recent bully case of NGT, the general public will also pay more attention to this case.
     
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  7. Rev4

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    That was photo evidence and just in case with Naachan and even photos on Shida and her boyfriend.

    There are so many pictures on Fuuchan and Zuumin on Fuuchan's blog that she is accused for being one of the five culprits which makes this rumor even more silly. We heard from her older brother that she was bullied. That's all you got as an answer. Bunshun couldn't come up with something better.

    A picture is worth a thousand words.
     
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  9. gish0046

    gish0046 Kenkyuusei

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    If you've been following the NGT assault case then you should know exactly why Bunshun should never be trusted.

    I'm not trying to argue with you and the story may actually be true but just as a matter of principal you should never trust anything Bunshun publishes.

    Also, Bunshun has alleged yakuza ties so its a but naive to say "well if Imaizumi's family can sue them if they're lying". Not only that, but the story just says that the story came from Imaizumi's brother not that he was a direct source. So Bunshun can just say they heard it from someone who said they heard it from Imaizumi's brother which would absolve them of responsibility given the way freedom of the press laws work (and why tabloids get away with lying all the time).
     
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  10. Iamyoung

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  11. miwa

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    Zuumin denied this when she was still in Keyaki, even though she could have kept silent. Now she's trying to make it on her own and free herself of the Keyaki tag, so it makes no sense to me that her brother would bring this up all over again (unless he's working against her lmao). Most Japanese netizens aren't buying it and are calling out Bunshun for making up lies about NGT and trying to distract people from the Maho scandal. This isn't comparable to the Matsumura Sayuri scandal because that had photographic evidence, and Bunshun has lied in the past anyway.
     
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  12. miyabi

    miyabi Kenkyuusei

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    No, as I read the comments below Yahoo article, most of them think that the bully is TRUE and its not good for Keyaki's image at all.
     
  13. miwa

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    You're right, I checked and there are people buying it (but there are also people talking about NGT). There are two solutions to this: either everyone keeps silent and the issue dies down (but this might lead people to think that it's true) or Zuumin denies it (but I can see her not wanting to say anything so no attention is brought to it).
     
  14. cotd

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    I have a different opinon. The best way to prove that it's not true, as a fan, is by not to fuss about it. Just stay calm and stop getting triggered by what these people said. Being agitated and discuss about a ded gossip are just what they want us to do.

    Well I'll stop commenting about this issue, since I think currently there is nothing to talk about. Just same speculations (which have been proved wrong in the past).
     
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  15. glsone

    glsone Kenkyuusei

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    As with most things the reality is probably somewhere in the middle. It does seem like Keyakizakas environment is less than ideal. Zuumin and Shida leaving were both highly questionable, Aoi being gone for so long, and now even Neru leaving for seemingly no reason all could be signs pointing to personal problems within the group. Aoi even mentioned her getting bullied way back when in Keyakitte.

    Bullying may be too strong a word for what's going on, but it might not be we'll really never know. Personally I don't usually take what the person themselves have to say with too much seriousness. There's way too much "group over the individual" and "don't cause a disturbance for others" in Japanese culture for me believe they'd say anything other than everything is alright and perfect.
     
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  16. Ozeki

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    this already got discussed in feb. 2018, she even named her blog at the time “false rumors”

    bunshun trying to bring a distraction...? wouldn’t surprise me...
     
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  17. chrissirhc

    chrissirhc Kenkyuusei

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    no they were not. not at all

    you may only follow keya, but graduations are pretty common with jpop idols. lately they have been happening in bunches on all levels

    but this conveniently doesn't apply to the individual being offered money if they have a scandal to share?
     
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  18. Rev4

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    Shida left because she can't have a private life as an idol without stalkers taking pictures of her and sell to Bunshun. This dark world of idol life did she dislike and graduated.

    Zuumin and Neru have ambitions so they graduated on good terms as well. Aoi borrowed a suit from Ozeki for her uni entrance ceremony.

    There is nothing to suspect about. Criticism of sources is important when it comes to Bunshun and rumors.

    If you did know, Bunshun is controlled by yakuza and you don't know how rough their business can be.
     
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  19. Iamyoung

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    OK ok.. Imma say what I think. People won't be happy but yeah sometimes we have to say some things out loud and clear. If one had been a fan of keyaki since beginning, one would understand why the girls graduated and why that piece of crap from Bunshun shouldn't even be thought about.

    Zuumin won' t come out to clarify because her leaving the group itself was questionable on her Part and not the group. We all know she is a great singer and long fans know she had issues with not being the center. Lots will say she graduated because of illness. Yeah, it is a much reasonable and acceptable thing, but I will say she left because of her not being placed in the center. She wasn't happy with the formation, period. No sugar coating word. She stated once in a magazine that she had kept an eye on that position because she thought she owns it. Also, due to her talents, she felt proud and therefore couldn't get close to the members because of that. She said so in Keyakake that she feels lost when with the members, not too close to them. Now, she couldn't solve that problem even though the members tried to help her, so she chose to leave. Remember another person felt left out, Habu, but members drew her in. She started being herself until her potential was realised and now she is shining.

    For Shida, we all know, or mostly, long fans know her scandal. It was embarrassing enough so she had to leave by herself.

    Note that, even though they are no more Part of the group, they are very close and contact each other a lot.

    Aoi is busy with her university entrance so that is out of the way.

    Now Neru! Her personality may be one of an idol but we all know she doesn't belong in that world. Neru joined the group because she thought it was a chance to break free from the hold of her parents. As a Neru oshi I felt sad she graduated, but then I remembered her interviews and every one of them she spoke about how she wanted to do what she wants and not her parents for once. And which other way can an intelligent child defying her parents do but to join an idol group? And that she did. But she was young & naive then. Now that she had been exposed enough and seen her capabilities, she felt lost and realised that the idol world wasn't hers.

    So, Stop caving in to Bunshun's article. THEY AREN'T TRUE! They just want you to think just as you are now.

    A little trivea though. Neru being indecisive on what to do and her not belonging to the idol world was hinted in their first ever psychological game in Keyakake. It was right after she joined so literally, they might have been waiting for that time.

    Zuumin's matter was brought up in Keyabingo, the luckiest member, where she was ranked the unluckiest and was told she might consider leaving the group because she isn't happy with things now. And man, did that happen. I am starting to believe these things now

    OK. So finished ranting.
     
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  20. Remylittlechef

    Remylittlechef Kenkyuusei

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    Did you remember when all of 1st gen hiragana member bullied Miho back then, just because she's the leader of pure white justice and have handsome boyfriend, make all of them jealous toward her.. Until one day she fell from library's stair and broken her leg, had to use wheel-chair to do her daily activities. The others who watch these bully just keep silent as if nothing happen. Then one night all of them being trapped in a moving ship while their legs cuffed at a chair in a dinning room. They had to repent each other sins and disappeared one by one as the time went.
     

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