[GENERAL] The Keyakizaka46 Thread

Discussion in 'General Keyakizaka46 Discussion' started by ForrestFuller, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. Dill

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    This whole discourse is becoming way too absurd lol

    @too much idea thank you for the translation, always appreciated. I found particularly interesting the part about Fukyouwaon and Keyaki kanji. We all struggled with that one lol

    Hopefully, they'll be able to hold the concert in October. It would be a shame if it had to be postponed and the girls, Keyaki itself, deserves a live farewell, even though having one online may be the safest choice.
     
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    Oh that wasn't me or WTS, that was done by krymsun00!
     
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  3. Iamyoung

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    'Unpopular underground idol group'? OK. I guess there is nothing more to say. I wonder if you really know 48/46 groups. There was literally a survey, on TV and online, where the public just kept mentioning keyaki's name. Forget abt Saimajo. Fukyouwaon was voted amongst the top 10 to be one of the strongest song of the Era, and it wasn't by fans. It was by the public. Ask anyone on the street in Japan abt keyaki and I am sure about 5 out of 12 will know them. I mean the group has been in Kouhaku ever since they debuted, so it is possible, since it's literally popular and successful groups that perform there. We are not saying everyone knows them but they are totally known since it's one of the household idol group in Japan.
     
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    Well, I just want to say that (after reading the Koike interview, the document about documentary ) I think mngmt should provide all the members some therapy sessions, the Keyaki experience has clearly damaged them, I don't want to keep talking about who's the responsible here because in the end it seems that is everyone who didn't stop that environment since the beginning. So it's better to focus in the solution, after hearing 10gatsu no pool (and assuming that was going to be the A-side originally) I think that what's going to be the new start of Keyaki, but since Techi didn't feel comfortable centering the song she decided to stay away whiche lead to her retirement.
    Honestly I don't think all the remaining 13 1ki members will go to the new group, I think some of them will graduate because they wouldn't feel confident in the new path. For that reason I think it's important to get some therapy.
    It's really sad seeing how this group and project has ended and the pain they have gone through.
    I hope they can feel better whether if they decide to keep being in the group or to graduate/retire.
     
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  5. Philosophy Senpai

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    How did this group and project ended??? How??? It didn't... There was no end, but for the sake of argument let's assume you're right, so:
    It ended with a BIG BANG!
    It ended with a glorious online live, with many girls centering different song proving that they have been ALWAYS there, ready to take over the responsibility to carry Keyakizaka and remove the burden from the frail shoulders of a broken charismatic teenager, against all the myopic beliefs and narrow-mindedness of a stubborn management.
    It ended with a top last single, which I strongly believe (and hope) to become their new overture and anthem.
    It ended with 28 teary but determined faces, proclaiming with dignity that they are willing to transform, honoring their past and move forward to a new beginning.
    It ended leaving behind a legendary story, a 5-year long saga, unique for any Japanese idol-group, a story with twists, ups and downs, never-boring, never-flat, intriguing, provocative, explosive, stirring, influential and inspiring.

    P.S. As for those therapy sessions, I strongly believe that these will definitely help many Keyaki antis and a bunch of yellow-press shadow-dwellers and indeed, anybody else intoxicated with the joy coming from their futile attempts to impose misery on the greatness of the great...
     
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  6. ajma93632

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    Calm down please, what I meant is that it's sad how the group's environment became into one I which probably almost all the members developed self-esteem problems. That's my point of view after reading about the documentary, of course I'm not taking it as a whole truth, but the members (specially the 1ki) are insecure and just by starting again won't help them to get over their insecurities I mean those come from their debut. So if they really want to move toward they need to get some help or they will repeat the same mistakes.
    I acknowledge all Keyaki has achieved but if the price is to have all the members to have problems then I prefer them to not comeback until they get some help.
     
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    The time they needed help, it wasn't given to them. Now they, themselves, have come together to solve their own issue which is the lack of confidence. Akane, Pon, Risa, Yuuka, Koike, all 1ki and even 2ki have stated how they spoke a lot together to make it possible for them to continue doing what they love. This is why I will say they are strong. And also this is why I absolutely blame mgmt for ruining their confidence. From docu & interviews, it's clearly seen they fought for themselves to get to where they are now. Now they are confident. Now they believe and are ready. We saw it in the live. We saw the hope and determination. Lots commented there was so much determination in their eyes in the docu. So what help again? All they said in the interview are past experiences. As far as I see, they are ready for the next step.
     
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    Thu is just my opinion because I think this will depend on one's perspective. I think if they're really confident they would remain as Keyaki because as rotative group they can just own the future releases and Keyaki's identity could become something that represent all the members with Techi gone.
    I still think they should get a bit more help to make sure they're really confident for the new step. But that's just my opinion. If the members feels they are definitely ready then I'm fine.
     
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    The name change isn't the girls' choice. They couldn't accept the name change too. It was all mgmt. Mgmt totally disregarded the girls' feelings and pushed their own mistakes unto them. The girls were ready to continue with keyaki but were convinced they couldn't. Since they aren't the ones in power here, they had no other choice but to accept what was decided. If it were up to them, they would have stayed as keyaki, like how they said they tried everything to make them stay as keyaki
     
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    I think the same
    Well.. this isn't the first time in the idol industry that those dudes don't want to put their faces, so they put a girl crying and sending the message..
     
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    My reply was not a personal attack. It was an attack aimed towards the heavy (in my opinion) mentions about therapy and ... project ending.

    I agree with you that all lousy management decisions for 4 consecutive years culminated in having 20 members developing something ranging from a mild "comfort-zone warm and cosy feeling like: ok let Tecchi carry the burdens of the limelight while we develop our career in modeling, radio, movies, social media, whatever, without bothering too much, up to a rather extreme feeling of low self-esteem as to "what am I lacking of, for not becoming the center this time?" feeling.

    As for the project ending, was this really what the girls wanted? Despite the fact that they have said so, I am not convinced, nor did many other hard-core Keyaki fans. Deep in my heart I believe that all girls would rather stay and fight teeth and nails for "restoring the Keyaki image" as well as their own image under the Keyaki name, even if this restoring is in fact absolutely absurd. Restore from what? Tecchi influence and "dependence upon Tecchi"? I am sure that after one year with performances like the ones we experienced lately (and singles like the Dare ka) would be enough to make fans forget about the Tecchi era.

    Finally, I tend to agree that in case Keyakizaka would grow along the discipline and doctrines of Nogizaka, things might have been better for them in long-term. Period...
     
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    Just a bit of image manipulation to hide/clone/blur/crop the small pesky YT logo in the lower right hand corner...
    https://image.itmedia.co.jp/l/im/nl/articles/1811/21/l_kikka_181111pv006.jpg
     
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    Thanks all, I was able to get a photo.

    @turbogig My memories to my visit of Roppongi last year are hazy at best, so I don't know why I thought that photo was there. Thanks for linking the article.
     
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    Welp.

    Looks like Keyakizaka46 changes their mind on holding an in-person live concert for their last two lives. They're not taking any risks. They've scrapped it and moves it online like earlier this July.

    https://www.keyakizaka46.com/s/k46o/news/detail/E00467?ima=0000

    But at least foreigners will be able to watch this as well! Stagecrowd, Rakuten and Lawson/ZAIKO options once again.
     
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