[GENERAL] The Sakurazaka46 / Keyakizaka46 Thread

Discussion in 'General Keyakizaka46 Discussion' started by ForrestFuller, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. gish0046

    gish0046 Kenkyuusei

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    While not all of them have the exact same style as Keyaki there's Yurumerumo, BISh, Minnanokodomochan (RIP), Gang Parade, CY8ER (soon RIP), ZOC, Necronomidol. I'm sure there's a ton more but I haven't really been following the alt-idol scene for awhile except CY8ER. But I remember there being a ton of them, like even more "dark" idol groups than actual mainstream "cute" idol groups.
     
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  2. Gofindnova

    Gofindnova Upcoming Girls

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    Assuming I'm reading the correct part of the article (the pink words next to the members photo), the phrase is 上品華やかに jouhin hanayaka ni. The definitions in my dictionary are jouhin: elegant, refined, polished. hanayaka: showy, brilliant, gorgeous.
    Hanayaka has a slightly different connotation than glamorous, you can google image search 華やか and see what pops up.
     
  3. ajma93632

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    Now I'm feeling positive and optimistic after seeing this news. They are ready and we just have to wait for it. I'm sad for Nijika, I guess it's better the scandal was released now than after the birth of Sakurazaka.
    I don't know if they'll announce Sakurazaka debut single and perform any song from it. But I'm kind of expecting they'll perform 10gatsu no Pool and that a Sakurazaka version of the song be included in that single.
    I don't care about who the center is, I just want them to debut as Sakurazaka and to be the most radiant versions of themselves :)
     
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  4. Conjyak

    Conjyak Kenkyuusei

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    Note that Baal made sure to say that refined (上品) and glamorous (華やか) are the reporter's impressions, not words given out by management. In the article, you can see that these words aren't in quotes either, while the descriptions for the other groups are (so that probably means the descriptions for the other groups are excerpted from management's own words). The "flower language" words for sakura are also in quotes, but that's probably just because the reporter looked those up somewhere. (In other words, if there are words not in quotes, those are from the reporter.)

    >乃木坂46には「清楚で控えめ」、日向坂46には「見る者を幸せにする明るいハッピーオーラ」など、それぞれの特長が色付けされる。桜の花言葉は「優美な女性」「精神の美」「優れた教育」などがある。桜の色というとピンクを想像しがちだが、実際は白。櫻坂46は、かわいらしいポップなアイドルというよりは、上品で華やかなグループとなっていきそうだ。
    >As Nogizaka46 has "neat/clean and reserved," Hinatazaka46 has "a happy aura that makes happy those who watch them," each has characteristics added to them. The flower language of cherry blossoms has "graceful woman," "beauty of mind," "excellent education," etc. One tends to imagine pink as the color of cherry blossoms, but it will actually be white. Rather than cute/sweet and pop idols, it looks like they will become a 上品 (refined/elegant) and 華やか (brilliant, flowery, glamorous) group.

    Note that when the reporter says ポップ (pop), what's meant is something like bright and colorful, rather than meaning pop as in pop music (I think this usage of ポップ comes from the meaning of pop in pop art). Google image search ポップな (pop as an adjective) and you'll see what I mean.

    To me, it looks like the reporter is just trying to guess the image of Sakurazaka by just using the flower language of cherry blossoms. So unless you think the flower language of cherry blossoms is the most important clue here, I wouldn't put too much on this.
     
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  5. Maeda_Toshiie

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    I don't know why, but that description makes the term "Yamato Nadeshiko" pop up in my mind.
     
  6. Gilrandy

    Gilrandy Kenkyuusei

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    Sakurazaka is lame. We got Mayuzaka, Kojizaka, Sashizaka. Its like miyawaki sakura got her own backdancer.
     
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  7. Jsprite

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    So, somebody noticed that if you invert the colors of the Sakurazaka46 logo, it is a striking green on a black background!:D Hidden Ying and Yang message? The new "classic and glamorous" in white, still has that dark and green it came from?
    I'd like to think that.
     
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  8. Baal

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  9. Tenote

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    First time posting in the general thread in a long time and probably the last. I’m expecting to be downvoted, but I need some kind of closure.
    I fell in love with keyaki as a rock fan. Techi herself appeared more like a band’s frontman rather than an idol. I loved everything about keyaki: rebellious concept, meaningful lyrics, quality music, artistic MVs and choreographies, theatrical performances, cool costumes. I never liked idols, but the way I viewed keyaki was similar to a band or a theatre/dance company. Kuroi hitsuji was their highest peak on all levels; members contributed production-wise, and conveyed their own character properly.
    Techi played a considerable role into shaping the group’s identity, as members followed in her footsteps. I thought (hoped) that keyaki would have kept walking the same path even without her, since members had proven that they were capable to do so. However, the incompetent management, to say the least, decided to fuck it all up instead.

    I was going to follow keyaki even after my oshi’s departure, except I hadn’t anticipated there would be no keyaki to follow anymore.
    Sakurazaka46? Sakura who? Narutozaka46 please give us sign! Terrible joke, but appropriate. Sakurazaka may surpass keyakizaka in sales, since generic pop idol groups have a wide appeal, but that’s about it. Welcome sakurazaka aka nogizaka wannabe.
     
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  10. keyak

    keyak Rank 81-100 (Temporary Name)

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    Well, I don’t think anyone should downvote you for your opinion. But I do think it’s premature to make judgments and cast aside a group that hasn’t even debuted yet.

    Yuuka said she wants the group to maintain their current color, to continue to sing Keyaki songs, and deliver powerful, meaningful messages with their music that we all know and love. Maybe that’s just the members’ wishful hopes, but they know more than us and more than the media. Even if their new name is Sakurazaka, I honestly cannot picture the current girls, especially 1ki, suddenly going the traditionally cute or sexy pop idol route.
     
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  11. too much idea

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    Still feeling surprised to see /learn that the name will truly be "Sakurazaka46", but considering the group I have been following for years is about to change their name (technically for a 2nd time) I think this is only natural lol. I know I like "Keyakizaka46" not because of the name or green color, so I'll get over it soon

    Thanks for those who explained what the reporter thought their direction will be in a much better, detailed way than me!

    I don't think they will give them something similar to Nogi / Hinata (for obvious reasons), the announcement CM is dramatic in Keyaki-like way so I think they'll stay with the usual route just... Nothing that is too dark or too edgy anymore, maybe. More moderated, so no one will ever fall in a dark hole again
     
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  12. rdamon42

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    I'll reserve judgment until the first, ehem, "debut" single :XD:

    Like any Keyaki fan I have grown fond of the name and remember those who were part of it: Manaka, Yone, Zuumin, Mon, Dani, Techi, etc. I maybe in the minority, but I like the name a lot. Its a fresh start, the members are free to express themselves without the burden of the past

    In Sakurazaka46 I trust.
     
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  13. Iamyoung

    Iamyoung Rank 81-100 (Temporary Name)

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    Like @too much idea said, I also fell in love with the group and not the name. I was all for the concept but fell in love more with the group than the concept. I wouldn't want them to go all generic tho. Releasing cute songs once in a while will be OK. After listening to Sajin, I felt the keyaki I know. At last, there they are. I believe that kind of song is gonna suit their new name and I am all in for it. There will be heartbreak and all that but that is only 2nd to last when it come to this group that I love
     
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  14. Dill

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    Thank you for this... I see people trying to push Keyaki members into the "elegant and glamorous" box in any way they can, but really, calm down lol
    You look like you never seen Ozeki run before [hehe] (Or Akiho skipping, for the matter)
    Hopefully during Last Live we'll get the 1st Sakurasong.. and there we'll see where all of this will going. But really, I feel people are making the same mistake they made with Keyaki... trying to define the group with 2 words and that is.
    We have always been way more than that. And the new group wouldn't be different.

    Also, the white logo is cool, the pink for the kanji is kind of hm... hope it becomes a little more dark.
    As for the name, Sakurazaka is pronounceable, but Sakurazakaforthysix sounds weird to me lol

    And Sakurakids seems like we are all Sakura's children [hehe] gonna find a new one
     
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  15. Iamyoung

    Iamyoung Rank 81-100 (Temporary Name)

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    Lolol I already see the girls as glamorous so I just accepted it
     
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  16. radiohifi

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    But they never had fixed songwriters or composers just working for this project to begin with. People submitted their work to the company and potential tracks were choosen by Aki-p and techi, as we all know now. So no matter what S&F are trying to sell people now, all the music in the kyz46's collection has techi's finger prints on it, including Darega sonokanewo narasunoka.
    Now if aki-p starts picking out tracks for skz46 by himself or asks one of the girls for input, that will shift the musical direction. Obviously Aki-p could just hire techi as an advisor for that, but what is the point with the name change.
    My take on the name is, they did marketing reseach for it and were planning to look outwards the japanese market. Just look at the reaction of some people here, proves that S&F were right again.

    To be real honest I think it has something to do with Aki-p involved with the olympic show, sakura blossom being the national tree and timing...
     
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  17. Iamyoung

    Iamyoung Rank 81-100 (Temporary Name)

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    The moment jwotas started commenting about international comments and then when music day showed international comments on keyaki's intro, I knew snf might be focusing outside Japan. I am glad but somehow don't want it to be tat way. Well, let's see.
     
  18. rdamon42

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    Imagined Captain Yuuka saying this with her cute lisp

    Ah, but then again she doesn't have to say the ke sound which gave her so much trouble before
     
  19. Dill

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    Can't wait for Inoue too [hehe]
     
  20. amimaru

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    i think the takahero-exclusivity will be gone. but rather than completely ditch the guy, maybe they'll be more open to switch choreographers like what they do in other groups. sort of like dance studios bidding for it in terms of best representation of the song and also, ofc for the best price
     
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