Have any of you lost interest in 48/46G?

Discussion in 'General AKB48 Discussion' started by Doodleboy, Dec 8, 2016.

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Have you lost interest in 48 G?

Poll closed Dec 12, 2016.
  1. Yes, I don't follow them anymore.

    9 vote(s)
    8.4%
  2. Somewhat. All of my oshis have graduated, but I still follow the group.

    19 vote(s)
    17.8%
  3. Not really, but I am losing interest.

    34 vote(s)
    31.8%
  4. Of course not, I have just as much interest in the group as I did when I started to follow AKB Group

    20 vote(s)
    18.7%
  5. No, I've gained more interest than I ever had before.

    25 vote(s)
    23.4%
  1. Trinu

    Trinu Kenkyuusei

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    I guess some of them just want to be idols and don't really care where.
    But with all the mainstream faces leaving AKB, I wonder if the numbers aren't already bigger for Sakamichi auditions.
     
  2. EinhanderX

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    I remember I got some source for applicant numbers in 2016 audition. Nogi 3rd gen takes the top with 40k~ applicant in the first round. AKB 16th gen were around 16k-18k~. Then Hiragana 1st gen, NMB 5th gen, and HKT 4th gen down the list in descending order. SKE 8th gen takes the lowest with 4k~ applicant.

    However, I expect 2018 will be another year of audition again, starting from NGT 2nd gen and Sakamichi draft. So consider that number obsolete.
     
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    and SKE 8th still turned out the best out of those:awesome:
     
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  4. Matsui Hikari

    Matsui Hikari Kenkyuusei

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    Aren't you going to go on to how "horribly" Sayaya, Megu, and Tomu are treated?
     
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  5. Trinu

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    According to this (top right table), Nogi's 3rd had 48k applicants.
    It's insane.

    As for 2018... I think we won't see (m)any more auditions.

    AKB's 16th is just over a year old, and D3 is quite big (19 girls) so they should be fine. Plus, they have the whole Team 8 kennied.
    SKE's 8th is the same as AKB's 16th, and while they need to fill in the gaps in their teams, they got 18 KKS to do so.
    NMB needs to fill in their teams, but they got a pretty big D3 to do so (15 girls).
    STU still needs to form a single team and they have the numbers to form two, so they're fine.

    HKT though... they only got 5 girls in the draft, and if they follow the rules and promote them to their bounded teams, they will still be quite just in numbers.
    So I wouldn't be surprised if they announced auditions for the 5th gen at some point this year.

    But nah, they have to let the D3 girls debut and show what they have before they pressure them with newer blood.
     
  6. marioworldakb

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    Why so negative and base everything on sales numbers lololol

    STU had the second lowest debut.(Nogi was lower when they debuted, and so? look where are they now.) NMB bombed with what??330K??:XD: NGT reached a new low yet they are still number 1 on the chart and everyone knows whats up. :whistle: HKT is being projected to have 200K sales despite whatever is being said, I trust my man Muranokuma's statistical analysis.

    Oh get over it LOL not even one single STU fan were complaining about it. And their schedule was so packed back in January it was pretty impossible to have them practice for all those new songs. Besides they are literally performing it almost every day now with their new stage tour lol.
     
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  7. Trinu

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    I'm just guessing how management might see things.

    They have done crazier things to keep up the numbers facade (with Kuchibiru, with Jabaja...). They don't seem to care that much about the SG, but you never know with them.
    They have already slowed down their release pattern, so who knows what they could do next to free up the calendar and add more AKB HS or whatever.

    NMB's latest single sold less than 200k.
    Hopefully the sales and resales and resales will push it forward though.

    And no, I'm not over it.
    If they had time to rehearse for Namaiki Lips, RUN RUN RUN and Seventeen, they had time to rehearse their own songs that were already recorded.

    Also, tone policing is not cute.
     
  8. marioworldakb

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    Just remember that management doesn't base everything on single sales...no one should cuz that's pretty shallow on seeing things as a 48G fan.

    That's only first week and they can probably reach 250K+ at the end. Idk how you define it as a bomb >__>

    Because they did those songs before in their stage tour SO they are not new songs for them to learn at all. Take a good look at their schedule in December-January and tell me where can they even find time to practice new B-side songs in those dates before the concert.

    Then how about stop picking on the same STU references for your arguments?
     
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  9. Trinu

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    Again, it's not how I see it. It's how I imagine management sees it.
    Not everything is based on sales, but you can't tell me they aren't doing as much as they can to secure AKB's million to continue in the foreseeable future.
    And the SG might are crucial in that.

    I'm not even going to quote the STU thing because we just won't ever agree on that. :flower:
     
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  10. marioworldakb

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    Things are in rebuild mode for AKB and it's not a big secret that they are using the SG to boost their sales to continue grabbing that million title.

    And during rebuild mode there are suppose to be setbacks and regressions which as a fan I am already expected to see for the next 3-4 years. So I'm just observing how low things are gonna get to but I believe there will be a point where there is a bounce back and resurgence. That is the continuity life force of AKB48 is in it's ability to self-regenerate, and the thing is it takes time, so being patient and positive is the key. The focus I imagine the management see in is their young potential stars and how to properly develop them. Such as we see now giving them songs, concert, new producer stages designated to them, bingo appearances, magazine photoshoot highlights and shea etc. These are the new things I am seeing the management is going and I am happy we are doing that.

    Sure...I guess at this point you won't change your mind at all on that and I'm tired too in convincing you, so remember every time if you are gunna use that somewhere to support your argument in what ever topic I will be there to click that disagree button lol
     
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  11. EinhanderX

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    The catch here that I find in visualizing management plan from outsider viewpoint is:
    -Nearly all 48G "not-named 1st gen" audition main goal, first and foremost, is to fill the team quota/theater roater. To make them stars in showbiz is secondary and only achievable for few girl from that gen with initial popularity traction as long as resource permit. Once again, few of them.

    -Why 1st gen audition is excluded?
    Because their main goal is to debut. At least someone/more than one of them has to be recognizable face in showbiz. Hence the strong push and exposure for half of them as the group brand ambassador. Stronger than even their other half and later their successor gen. Once again, half of them.

    I mean, for the awesomeness of SKE 8th gen overall, they won't put as much money on them as STU 1st gen. Right, @marioworldakb ?:fear:

    -I lost my source on this, but prior to Nogi 3rd gen debut reveal, it is already announced that they will collaborate with multiple magazine to feature each of them on their page/cover. Might explain the explosion. Once again, each of them.

    We're probably looking at dream/reality stuff though. Yet, I personally have convinced that what was "More is merrier" has become "More is messier". Especially when we all know the group priority graces only few.
     
  12. CutePanda

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    if they could send girls to Mars....i am sure AKI-P will keep expanding new SG to keep his million sales streak :)
     
  13. antares

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    In contrary, I think they keep creating new sister groups to keep the sale. All old 48 groups have decreasing fandom even if they do not create any new group. With the new groups like NGT and STU, at least they can gain some local fans who were not familiar with 48 concept.
    Though, the use and push sister groups are unhealthy. They are blended into AKB to keep the million sale. Many joint activities from AKB side are also more attractive. Hence, fans rather buy AKB stuffs than the SG group releases, particularly for the endless popularity competitions. AKB is draining sister group sale and making them weaker. In turn, SGs invade AKB singles and block the spotlights on AKB home-grown members. At the end of the day, SGs and AKB are more dependent on each other. Both become weaker. And a new group is created to attract some local fans to cover the loss...
     
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  14. Trinu

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    While I do hope that they are indeed in that rebuild mode in mind, I just don't see enough.
    Three or four years is A LOT in idol times. Many girls even stay in the groups a lot less than that, so is that even a smart plan?

    The moment I see new stages across the board and we stop seeing the nth revival of RESET, I'll believe they want to rebuild the brand.

    Throwing a center to a new girl and giving her a bland song like SKE is doing is not gonna fly, IMO.
    They really have to put their money where their mouth is.

    I agree.
    The thing is, coming after a group's first gen shouldn't be seen as a consolation prize or anything.

    As long as they get to do some work regularly (recording, filming, photoshoots, blablabla), they should be fine. And at that, the SG treat their girls a lot better than AKB.
    Being an official cover group isn't much different from joining an underground idol group, IMO.

    There is only so much work they can give to the nth SG, so keeping the girls happy in the theatre should be one of their aims as well.

    True, they can reach new places.
    I think some girls in STU said they couldn't be idols if it weren't for STU, and that's quite nice.

    From AKB's POV, it doesn't seem like the new groups are adding a lot.
    Jabaja sold more or less the same (according to Oricon) than Kibouteki Refrain, and we didn't have NGT nor STU back then.
    So I think the new groups aren't really adding new fans, but... maybe keeping the old ones whose oshi is leaving/has left?
    It's smart, but not ideal. They need new fans.

    Isn't this whole talk off-topic though? :^^;:
     
  15. EinhanderX

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    I agree. Overshadowed gen then.
    I was gonna say blame AKS management.

    That's my opinion before D3. Post-D3, after I saw the very same fandom who constantly voiced their member didn't get much works, has the nerve to draft 17 more girl to make competition harsher, well.....

    "Reap what you sow".
     
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  16. Trinu

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    In AKB's case, I understand the fans' decision.

    AKS let the teams be so depleted they could barely functio. And the 16th gen wasn't enough to fill in the gaps.
    Sure, the Team 8 kennins solve the problem nicely, but just in case they want to revoke them at some point... better get a whole new big gen, hence D3.

    I think most of the groups' fans behaved, except for NMB's.
    But even the Namba girls have to understand how it's supposed to work: three full teams and the KKS to under.

    Anyway!

    I feel like, for a group that has tried to do things differently (theatres, HS, SSK, Janken, etc.), I feel like the 48G is falling into the usual "Get as many #1 as possible!"

    Heck, I would scrap one more release from the SG.
    Funnel the songs to original stages for the teams and just release one mini-album a year with senbatsu, team songs, a couple of units and that's it.

    They are currently offering a lot more than the fans are demanding.
     
  17. EinhanderX

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    May Yoshimoto and their Yakuza never read your post. jk.

    Why not from AKB? They got 4 single+1 album per year. Plenty to salvage from.

    You know what I'm seeing here? Greed.

    That's why for all the content mothership has provided recently, average stage48 user still think AKB members got the short end of stick.
     
  18. Mana

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    For the low sales of NMB, NGT etc. keep in mind that there's elections soon, so this might be why some fans are not spending on sister group singles and save money for elections to vote for their favs. and for the audition numbers, it's not surprising that more people audition for Nogi now, they are the current top girl group in Japan, besides their image is a lot more "classy" and "proper" (to the public) so any girl who wish to be a celebrity can join.

    About the discussions of having more auditions and adding new girls this year, I really hope they don't... we are in April, and so far, not many girls announced graduation and I don't think any group is lacking members right now. Honestly I barely learn any new name in the past months/years and I think it's the same with most fans (and the public), adding more girls is not helping. Sure it helps the sales for AKB, but this is the reason why they keep debuting sister groups, because sister groups can have their own singles + do handshakes for AKB. it's like debuting one girl and she brings sales for 2 groups. so of course they keep debuting sister groups and keep putting the sister groups members in AKB, it's all about making the most benefit. Since we already have STU for new group, I don't think they need to add any new generation, especially not to AKB when we just got 16th gen, Draft 3, and Team 8, these girls are all still new and fresh.

    Lastly for the stages, I don't think management is interested to produce new ones, they already barely make efforts to pick good songs for AKB's singles and albums. it's obvious they focus on Sakamichi right now, this might also be why they accept the Produce48 deal and send the most popular 48G girls there, like they prefer to let the show make 48G girls popular, since management can't be bothered to invest or give enough attention to AKB anymore (and AKB kinda turned to a mess in recent years with too many members being added, big names leaving, and decline of popularity).

    Besides when you think about it, yes the old stages get tiring, but in the end if you like a new member, you're always interested to see her try some of those classic old songs. For example Moeka of Draft 3 got my interest and I'm looking forward to see her debut at the theater, and I'm thinking of which stage songs she could perform, and it's exciting. of course it might get tiring when a girl perform all the stages for years. but honestly this isn't an issue to me anymore. I realized stages can stay good and fresh as long as the members who perform it can make it look good and fresh. sadly most of the time, the revivals are kinda boring, but there are cases where a stage revival or a special stage (mix of songs) are really enjoyable because of the line-up performing it. and while the new Team A stage was really good (nice songs/dances, nice outfits etc.) but sometimes it wasn't that enjoyable to see (lack of energy) so again it depends more on the members than the songs to me.
     
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