Single HKT48 6th [Shekarashika!] (2015/11/25)

Comparing actual first day sales is actually completely meaningless. You can't compare a single with 8 types 7 days of hs events + other national events with a single that only has a couple days of HS events. That's what all these gimmicks have done do to the charts, they make it extremely hard to determine which music release is the most popular at a certain moment in time.

However what you can do is ask yourself why SKE applications seem to be doing a lot better than HKT's. It's not that hard to see that 20/35 is better than Haruppi's 5/20 (duh). And then have some sort of discussion about it.

It's just doesn't fit the official narrative around here,and everyone who goes against it is an anti.

 

Yeah but they've put in lots of SKE's big guns into this unit single and given them 35 slots as opposed to HKT's 20 slots.

In any case lots of SKE's results could go back to 0/35 when it comes to actually paying for the singles.

 

I'm not sure cause I don't bother with handshakes much but I believe that the SKE "subunit" has more HS slots to sell (591.7) than the whole of HKT (571.1) and they have already sold 3 times more slots than HKT. At least that is what I believe the site says. :\

 

So SKE is using all its members then? lol

Oh, well. So long HKT's #1 streak!

 

Probably poor phrasing on my part, but it feels like a lot of people are afraid or getting pumped up about HKT taking on SKE, even though I feel it's not too big of a competition for HKT; I'm more confident in HKT selling more because it's an actual single compared to SKE which is a sub-unit, BUT if the sub-unit outsells a group's main single, then maybe it's time to hit the panic button

I'll admit to both of you, I don't really know jack about how much HS affects single sales. For example, from what I understand SKE has more slots but are said to be smaller samples i.e. mini-handshakes? And doesn't a group's main single usually include HS tickets for all the members in said group? I reading into SKE's HS tickets as being the sub-units and participating sub-units only, whereas HKT is using everyone, but if that's not the case then ignore anything I said about HS

 

Again that's all fine and dandy, but that still does not explain why HKT ace Kodama Haruka is 5/20 and the number four SKE girl in that list is 20/35. Same question could be asked for Mio, Meru etc etc.

People thinking Halloween night would sell less because of the HS numbers didn't understand the impact and extra day and more girls would have on ticket sales. You can read it back, I told them a couple of times but they didn't want to listen because they just want to call me an anti and carry on with their delusions.

 

They are not using all their members, it's just that the members who are taking part are given a lot more slots than usual lol.

 

hard to argue with facts but people will anyway. thanks for the necessary objectivity though

 

Should be noted that with 24 members SKE have even more slots than HKT (591.7 vs 571.4). HKT is clearly doing worse than the subunit, given each handshake slots are equal in time.

edit: Whoops I'm late

And the fact that they can those extra slots pretty well too

 

I say HKT are not doing worse. It's just SKE fans are getting fired up with same release date and several momentum in SKE circumstances.
To say HKT doing worse, compare their 6th with previous HKT single.

 

Good point. Last single was 30 slots max iirc.

Okay maybe but then why aren't HKT fans getting fired up because of the same release date?

 

Beat me, but here's my reason,
HKT single this time is EXPERIMENTAL. With collaboration, and confusion that follow during the announcement.
That itself is so unlike SKE sub-unit release. We all know what content SKE will offer to fans.
That's why HKT fans rather wait and see how it turns out before pre-order. I mean, we all know ONLY the senbatsu, BUT not who is CENTER, or who or what is included in b-sides.

Well, They can always buy it on release date when it turns out good for them.

 

thank you, somebody should have said it.
in addition to that, I'd say I don't see the point in comparison between sister groups at all. they should be sister groups after all)) why should fans of one group compete with other? I prefer to enjoy HKT without looking at other groups.

btw, has HKT ever outsell SKE in the first place? no. so what's so shocking if SKE sales will be better this time too? why is that even an issue in the first place?))
if HKT sales won't drop drastically everything is cool. and that we will know only when there will be Oricon weekly chart... *I feel like a broken record already))*

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@Discothèque
I've wanted to ask you for a long time now - if you're not anti then what's your objective to post only negative stuff and not even once a positive?)) you should know that those who see everything negatively are as blind as those who see everything positively. I am afraid to say, that bringing up only bad stuff doesn't make you objective, it makes you only annoying.
dunno, maybe you don't realize it yourself, but your actions are absolutely the same as those of antis from 2ch, so don't be surprised if you are treated like one))

 

we're giving too much weigh on this rivalry and handshake issue.

To improve handshake sales (implicitly a member popularity) takes a lot of time. Even with a tremendous amount of push, members like Nakomiku didn't make it into last Sousenkyo. Shiroma Miru, before being front girl of NMB, suffered from poor results in handshake for quite a long time before adapting her approach. It's the same for a lot of girls as well.

We always can argue about how an open fight between SKE and HKT will vary the results of each other single sales, but in the end if we really want a change for the best in long term, we need to look after our girl's growth.

I can't tell about SKE as good as HKT, but as much as Hakata is concerned, many of them have turned into really good performers, and some even have improved their presence in variety show.

i'm thinking about Emiri challenging guitar during Zenkoku final, Chiizu showing fighting spirit in Odekake, and of course Jiina opening herself to her comic personality in Hakata Hyakkaten. Murashige graduated from mentaiko gag and bumped from her pinched situation, Sakura is conquering AKB group as we speak, Haruppi is finally getting AKB group management favors, Natsu and Morippo stepping seriously into gravure... So much good things happened this year, even if it wasn't as spectacular as last year.

We're still the group with the fewest graduation number to date. We're trying new things like collaboration with a group outside of AKB. We still have a lot of room for improvement, so let's keep being positive whatever the sales results are

 

Why does this dude always post like he's the spokesperson of the international hkt fandom?

@EinhanderX

Could be. But we're talking about applications for HS tickets so I'm not sure how much single information plays a part.

@fatrain

Well first of all, 90% of the people here only want to post positive no matter what so I think it's important to balance it out a bit. Plus I only asked for the results and got no response, I don't think there's any negativity in that at all. And sorry I don't read 2ch lol.

Question still stands though. Why are HKT girls selling less hs tickets than SKE girls? I think that's a legitimate question to ask and has nothing to do with being an anti. I don't go around calling you people the opposite of an anti (what is the opposite of an anti?).

 

Well who can resist the "Furuhata Jump"? Maybe Kodama Haruka can develop something for HS called the "Harrupi Hop"

 

HKT has never sold more HS than SKE so why is this suddenly surprising just because they release on the same day?

If HKT can increase the sales compared to last single that's good enough for me.

 

No one is calling it a surprise?

That still leaves the question why (you think) SKE girls sell more HS tickets than HKT girls?

 

Well, negativity can be good, if backed with proper facts, argument, and cold head. It helps with Antithesis, pinpoint broader point of view, and creating synthesis, as well as solution and new consensus.

@Discothèque

If we're talking about HS application, single information, and why HKT fans aren't fired up,
It is a matter of relativity, fans might want to apply HS ticket not just to 1 girl, but perhaps several others. Especially if your main girl get soldout (Sakura for example)
This single mark the return of Rikopi to senbatsu a-sides, there will be more influx of people want to congratulate her, yet it didn't guarantee a soldout.
Sadly, as we're blind about b-sides, fans can't plan what girl will they met and not yet.

If we're talking about comparison between SKE and HKT HS application,
Nah, don't compare their top member head to head. SKE top member start their idol career sooner.
It's far more objective to compare gen to gen, Which SKE gen are on equal start with HKT 1st gen? or 2nd gen?

And Kodama already has "Haruppi Lisp" complemented with "Haruppi Sulk-mode". That's enough

 

@EinhanderX

I think Haruppi and Furuhata Nao debuted around the same time? I don't understand the Kanji so I have no idea which SKE girls are in that list.