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IZONE News and Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'AKB48 News & Releases' started by ForrestFuller, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. Akusaiko

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    And obviously not just them, PD Shows, Idol School, and other shows will be affected, also more victims will be dragged,

    we're not just talking about mnet or a small agency, were talking about Cj group, a South Korean conglomerate holding company that comprises numerous businesses in various industries, read their past controversies, it's larger than this, yet, they're survived and still being one of important figured company in SK, also, see the listed agency of where these idol members came from, Starship Entertainment, Woollim Entertainment, and MBK Entertainment etc, all famous agency, with so many more involved, together, they seem untouchable

    also the recent news "revealed" by former contestant of pdx101 and IS about the show, kinda more funny, it states that all agency that joined know the situations, he/she said, some asking their trainees to be eliminated due to didn't agreed with terms of contract, some just want their trainees to stay on the shows for 'public exposure', and many more etc, they knew their trainees will suffer from beginning, yet they join in and sign the contract, and some even just watch their trainees being played by mnet, so what's makes them better or different than inhuman mnet itself, afraid of what could happen to themselves?, due to their own greed and fears, their own kids suffers, so what makes em suddenly have guts to firing back at mnet?

    By making this conversation topics continues, you only leads people to hates and blaming izone members as if they are the guilty ones ,what do you want to prove? what do you want to happen? asking for sympathy? yes, you got one long time ago since the first episode, getting compensated money for voting? go ahead, ask cj, that's your own right, but, as if the demands will stops there as easy as that, when the final answer that lays behinds was to dissolving the group members, lol, so what if 7/12 members votes is rigged, you want those members got kicked and the "real" join to replace them, as if people will claps for them later, like izone, i bet the members choose disbandment rather than losing their group members, they achieved all together, like hell they will just sit and watch any of them being replaced, and lived a happy ending like a fairytale story, so, if not, then what? you wished the"real" one getting debut in new group? that's the first offer stated by mnet before, but i wonder if the trainees and their agency would accept that so easyly,

    then, what will happen? these hard working gg and bg disbanded, the "real" contested didn't debuted, the agency suffered etc, and we can't see the ends of this drama even if mnet also abolished
    cmon, stop these ridiculous mess up conversation, it's brings negativity rather than a positive impact, i say these again, if ANY of you don't like izone members, your heart changed , leave them, as easy as you join in as their fans or just FOLLOWING THEM, there's no chains, no fences, it won't kill you, let all befall on izone and their fans, any of you can go away anytime:|

    Hitomi is doing her birthday vlive, happy birthday cutie pie:blush: https://www.vlive.tv/video/153784?channelCode=C1B7AF
     
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  2. bonjourmarlene

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    I do believe that it was rigged, as most survival shows probably are, but I want to believe that the only thing they did was inflate the numbers so it would seem more impressive while still announcing the actual winners in the order of how many votes they received.
     
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  3. JPN48

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    I didn't want to drag this topic longer, but you're making it like I have said something really negative. First, I said let's hope the results come clean. Second, Nobody is blaming or bashing the current members, not the other posters and definitely not me, we were all talking about Mnet. Third, all I have been trying to say is IF the votes rigging is proven, it will more or less affect some fans. I have even mentioned in my previous post that the current members are staying for the next 1.5 years regardless.
     
  4. sdn48oshi

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    If the votes are proved to have been rigged, Idk about how much it would affect actual fans, but it would def affect their tv appearances and popularity with the korean general public.
     
  5. Iz*One48

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    Thank you. Nevertheless, if you follow my argument until the first statement that I quote and I accept this statement it is basically using this statement:

    As a SNSD's fan, watching them on Jinsei ga Kawaru Ippunkan no Fukaii Hanashi and Numa Ni Hamette Kiite Mita really makes me feel happy. They are really famous among women, especially among JC and JK (the same went with SNSD since they targeted specific toward women audiences).

    The main reasons why women love them are:

    - Their performances - their synchronicity - their formations. (the most important one)
    - How cute/ stylish they are.

    to show this statement

    That would actually destroy the core of their fanbase though. Since most of their fans enjoy seeing young/ little girls with no exp/ talent grow up, not admiring girls who are already good at singing/ dancing like Korean idols.

    as idiotic.

    First, I cannot comprehend the line of reasoning. Both are basically mutually exclusive.
    Second, it is irony given that both statement is being written by similar person.
     
  6. ajma93632

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    Just for curiosity, was it confirmed people could vote only once per number? As far as I remember

    Totally agree, as I said before, at most some places were changed but inside the top 12.

    And while I do think their Korean activities might be affected I think their Japanese activities will remain regular. TBH, I think there's no that much to talk about this topic until new information comes out.
     
  7. GATX105

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    The final result is made up of 1 online vote per day for 7 days (or was it 6) from end of episode 11 and then 1 text vote in the finale where each text vote is multiplied by 7.
    I think there's little point in switching ranks around within the top 12 as other than number 1, the positions really don't matter. Inflating the vote count has impact though to show a lot of people voted but not switching the positions imo. So cheating would really have to be switching members that did not get in with those that did except for the number 1 position.

    And I completely agree with your last two points.
     
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    Wow @ entire of thread :eek: I thought you all discuss about that in PD48 thread

    I won't say it's completely rigged, but some of girls were "pre-booked" by Mnet -but then Jurina went hiatus and Kaeun + Chowon went trolled.
    Although we knew who the "rigged" girls are, even Knetz acknowledge them for good lol:
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    Not really at all.
    1. BTS were popular internationally first before they got their domestic popularity -That's why now agencies, even the top one, have collaboration with American promoter so their group will have their "US Debut", even if the groups have zero domestic popularity. Yeah, basically they follow BTS path lol
    2. Currently, only few agencies who will focus on local taste. Now most of Kpop songs (for BGs) are either BTS-like (which is more like western song), EDM-like, or weird like NCT 127. Most of agencies are working with European/American producers so no wonder if the songs sounds more western-ish.
    ((... which is weird things cuz some of the producers are working with JE groups but while JE group songs still have Jpop feeling, the Kpop one is bacsically western song with Korean lyric... :rolleyes: ))
     
  9. welp

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    In a related news, Lee Haein, a former contestant of Idol School and former trainee of Stone, left a long message dragging CJ ENM next to the photo of contract termination notice from CJ ENM. She said, in the last episode, the trainer came to her apologizing to her that she was eliminated 'coz the show runner (Mnet/CJ ENM) was against her.
    Reference 1
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    If you didn't follow the show at all, what made you believe it's right to discuss against those who did?

    That randomness somehow resulted repeating 29,978 gaps between Produce X' contestants. The final vote counts went as following
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    #1 Kim Yohan 1,334,011 votes
    #2 Kim Wooseok 1,304,033 votes (= 1,334,011 - 29,978)
    #3 Han Seungwoo 1,079,200 votes (= 1,304,033 - 224,833)
    #4 Song Hyungjun 1,049,222 votes (= 1,079,200 - 29,978)
    #5 Jo Seungyeon 929,311 votes (= 1,049,222 - 119,911)
    #6 Son Dongpyo 824,389 votes (= 929,311 - 104,922)
    #7 Lee Hangyul 794,411 votes (= 824,389 - 29,978)
    and so on.

    The possibility of such repeating is like 0.000001% or impossible. Based on these numbers, a Korean netizen figured out further that every vote points could be divided by 7494.442. For examples,
    1,334,011 (7494.442 x 178 ~ 1,334,010.68)
    1,304,033 (7494.442 x 174 ~ 1,304,032.91)
    1,079,200 (7494.442 x 144 ~ 1,079,199.65)

    From this point, Korean netizen looked into Produce 48's vote result and found a similar pattern with the number 445.2178 instead of 7494.442.
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    Please enlighten me since when J-pop has had international impact on the scale close to K-pop?

    Talking about domestic popularity, when was the last time AKB48 was capable of a single date of concert at Tokyo Dome? Black Pink has been scheduled for double dates at Kyocera Dome (Jan 4 and Jan 5) in addition to single date at Tokyo Dome (Dec 4), you know? How many singers, groups or soloists, have been capable of a concert at Tokyo Dome despite can neither sing nor dance in last 5 years?

    AKS doesn't want international market but franchise sale? :rofl:Tell AKS to stop sending AKB48 oversea, to stop going to Asia Fest then. If you're to say AKB was there to promote sister groups, how could AKB do so when it had no oversea relevancy? How could your genius mind not see oversea license sale tightly linked to AKB's oversea impact?

    Besides, do you know that, currently, BNK48 is the most profitable oversea sister group? Do you know how much it generated lat year? BNK48 generated ~147 million bahts of net profit in 2018. Much of that will go to investment and main shareholders' pockets (Plan B and Rose Media) and, likely, not more than 10% or ~15 millions of that (~500K USD) will go to AKS. And, BNK's profitability must have plateaued. SGO and MNL have made no profit. JKT has made a crumb. How much did AKS possibly make off these oversea sister groups last year? Less than 700K USD? How much can AKS possibly earn from all its licensees including future MUB and DEL? 3M USD yearly? What a big sum. AKS has planned to make 3M worth business to be its main focus? If you take into account those groups directly managed by AKS, Team SH and Team TP, the profitability may even be bleaker.

    Fans knew she had withdrew so, she must get no vote in last few days. I'm still upset every times I recall Mnet edited out entirely the interaction between Mako and Minseo. No one had any idea they grew close to each other until Mako bid farewell.

    "others had potential to make the final 12 with a good story line", Hitomi and Chaewon can't relate. Even Hitomi was puzzled why she could end up in the group and could only recall 1 story when she taught Korean trainees in her team the "Very Very Very" choreography.

    From what I've read, Japanese businessmen are famous for being upright to their business ethics. Yoshimoto and AKS are close partners. I can't imagine AKS conspired with Mnet behind Yoshimoto's back.

    Also, members, especially Chaewon and Yuri, will forever be associated with cheating by netizens. That's quite a serious mental strain.

    More careful, yes. More honest? I highly doubt it.

    Yes. It was confirmed. Did you not remember fans of contestants provided generous incentives to convince peoples to vote their faves? They needed not to provide incentives if they could easily just vote with that money.

    Absolutely not.
    1. According to Wiki, BTS topped GAON's album chart for the first time with Skool Luv Affair in January 2014 while it started to be in American radar, landed itself in Billboard 200 in late 2016.
    2. Nope. Only S.M. doesn't focus on domestic taste and questionably if it's international taste or just Lee Sooman's taste. I keep seeing comments from inter fans saying NCT and SuperM's songs are hard to listen to. Even if songs are composed by European producers, Koreans pick the music that fits their tastes/give it Korean garnishes. If you have read interviews of Europeans composing K-pop songs, they all said they composed K-pop songs differently from Euro pop songs, the chord transition, the song structure etc. Also, most of these European composers have also composed J-pop songs. :whistle:
     
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  10. biboloxo

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    B/c a bunch of old dudes have different taste than women?
     
  11. Akusaiko

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    You quote the wrong person. Anyway, I can understand that both groups have different taste. I cannot understand how one group taste is being used as the refutation of another group taste. Both groups are basically different.
     
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  13. Henry Dill

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    It may be that Chaewon and Yuri were in the top 12. That is why the real results need to be made public.

    For me, I knew the results were rigged when Chaeyeon was announced last. There was zero possibility this could happen given her screen-time and editing at the end of the series. If they rigged her ranking for drama, then they could also rig everyone else's ranking as well.
     
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    Based on this picture, IZ*ONE will release Eyes On Me The Movie(yup, it's a movie). However, I don't know if this is real or not.
    [​IMG]
     
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    arguing about who ranked where seems meaningless when IZ*ONE members' careers will forever be tarnished and linked to this disaster if the worst scenarios come to light and are announced publicly.
     
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  16. Akusaiko

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    It is what it is. The fans don't want it, I don't want it too, but the investigators don't care and will make it public if proven. Well, unless Mnet can make a deal with them under the table.
     
  18. Titan3

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    This isn't getting swept under the rug anymore... not even CJ will be able to paper over it, they will just take the momentary hit while the members suffer the most

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  19. GATX105

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    Lol, I see you're still working on how not to make condescending posts. You can do it!

    Anyway, what show am I supposed to have not followed? And to whom am I discussing against? I'm not sure what you're referring to. Aren't there text voters during the finale that only tuned in during the finale or were not voting online everyday during the first 11 weeks?

    Pattern = I was not talking about the cheating numbers and the same gap appearing here and there in the final results.
    What I was talking about was the previous eliminations (and rankings) do not create a pattern as to who was definitely voted in and who only got in because of cheating. The changes to 1-pick and the new voters make it difficult to conclude with certainty that a, b, or c should have gotten in and x, y, or z should have been eliminated. In other words, even if there is cheating (and it appears there is), it's not certain who were cheated out and who were cheated into the final lineup.

    Uhm yah, tell that to the person you meant to quote. Although thankfully, it looks like he responded already.
    Anyway, nanase was really great in anata no ban desu lol -- random
     
  20. terpcity1999

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    Story lines matter. Just ask Hyewon. Most of the top 12 were blessed with early storylines that helped them establish strong early fandoms. Once built, fandoms are hard to shake. Fans don't change minds easily.

    Hitomi was no exception. She utterly nailed the Nekkoya judging video, besting even the Korean trainees. Up til that point everyone thought the Japanese trainees had no skill. Hitomi proved them wrong. She followed that up with cute moments with the VVV team so that by Ep 5 she was already in the top 12. She never left the top 12 after that point.

    Chaewon is a bit of an anomaly. She mostly got in on sheer looks and skill, but pretty much everyone else had some kind of good screentime. Story lines matter.
     
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