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Single Keyakizaka46 3rd [Futari Saison] (2016/11/30)

Discussion in 'Sakurazaka46 News & Releases' started by ForrestFuller, Sep 30, 2016.

  1. minaeshi

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    ^And that's the problem. I think they need to slow down a little rather than go full speed ahead and then stagnate. Like with Momoclo for example, they keep going to bigger venue after bigger venue until eventually there was literally no venue bigger than Nissan, and since then, they've kind of stagnated as a whole in terms of general public interest. Just because they can get their with their current popularity, doesn't mean they should.

    Also, I would like to see the girls have something to work towards. Their main goal was Kouhaku but they broke that not even 8 months after their official debut? It would be cool if they had a new goal to set out, even if its as "small" as budokan or as "big" as Tokyo Dome, but i don't want to see it handed to them on a silver plate simply because they can sell out all the seats with the amount of fans they have.
     
  2. SERIZAWAAAA

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    Its true that the girls are capable of selling out Budoukan in a matter of 2 years. And its true that they're moving extremely fast, selling out tickets left and right and gaining ground on charts. The possibility of them burning out is high as mentioned. And yet i cant help but be excited.

    Their potential is high. Momoro stagnated because they were known for their live performances. And after Nissan, as mentioned there wasn't anything left. The keyaki girls though, has shot up due to the nature of their songs, and what worries me is a drop in their quality of songs. They stages where they perform, for me, is meaningless. Sure i want to see them at budoukan but if i had a chance to see them anywhere else, ill still be satisfied.

    Rather than a goal aiming for a certain stage, id rather they aim for something else, something philosophical. Stand toe to toe with greats, not just idols but musicians. Be artists. Be acknowledged by the general public for years to come. They are exciting, and they are a voice of the new millenials. Let Nogi and Akb fight. Keyaki can aim higher.
     
  3. too much idea

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    Futari Season just reached 10 million views in YouTube
     
  4. ukifune

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    Very interesting ideas from both @minaeshi and @SERIZAWAAAA. I think management was aware of the possibility of going too fast when they settled for Ariake Coliseum. Or at least they were playing it slightly safe.

    I've just been watching W-Keyakizaka over and over again and Hirate at the end looks really haggard, puffy and hardly able to keep herself upright. They have to pace themselves for her sake, if nothing else. I really don't think they can change centres now, so it has to be pacing themselves.

    I think Hiragana would like to do a national tour, even if just a minor one by themselves (one member suggested a tour of towns that spell their names in Hiragana). This could be something to aim for, for either or both parts of Keyakizaka.

    And on the other hand, I am not one of the idol fans who was offended last spring when Hirate said she wanted the group to be "artists" rather than just idols. That's a goal to work toward, too. And they aren't there yet. This is something that can't be measured in sales.

    As far as sales go, however, here we are at Wednesday's chart again, the day after the week's new releases, and Saison is still there at #5, with SaiMajo at #20, and SekaAi at #23 (and Sayonara no Imi at #26). Kouhaku bump, bump.
     
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  5. SERIZAWAAAA

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    @ukifune when she said that, i was proud. They wanted more than just idols. Idols are niche genre on its own, so to be artists is a valid goal to pursue. Lets look at Yamamoto Sayaka. The moment she released a solo album, one she partook in, (a good album i must say), i can honestly say she is on the road of becoming and artist, an artist like YUI
     
  6. VincentS

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    It also overtook Sekai.


    I also want them to calm down on their Summer tour and have a more grounded approach. 6-7 15k venues are fine.
    For their Anniversary concert they can go big, no worries as it is a celebration.
     
  7. ukifune

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    And now Oricon has posted its chart for Thursday and Saison is back up two places into the top three at #3 (sales of 1,830), with SaiMajo up seven places to #13, SekaAi up two places to #21, and Sayonara no Imi steady at #26.
     
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  9. ukifune

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    In the chart for Saturday, Saison is...#1! With sales of 5700. SaiMajo is #11. SekaAi is #18. Unbelievable. Kouhaku was three weeks ago. Sayonara no Imi is #24.

    That's fantastic.
    How can so many guys cavort in a tatami/shoji room and not break something? I guess they have to be Japanese. And one or two of them are pretty good.[/comment]
     
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  10. UrFavAsianGuy

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    Yeah what's going on here? I honestly did not expect this kind of success for Keya. When their first single hit it big, I thought that was it.. and they would go down or stuck at 300-400k sales like AKB's sister groups. They just keep hitting it. I mean even Nogi has never had a "mainstream" success.. the closest I can think of is Ima Hanashita that recently got certified 100k

    Yeah yeah, I know they are Nogi's sister group, not AKB but the general public and the fans still put them under one big giant umbrella.
     
  11. kanjo

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    Nogi also don't absorb them in their events and HS. AKB uses 48SG as floats to keep above the water but Nogi and Keyaki both float for themselves.
     
  12. UrFavAsianGuy

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    True. but this doesn't explain why Nogi is only 300K behind from AKB with their latest singles. No theater performance helps 46 sales?
    this also certainly doesn't explain why Keya is hitting it out of the park. I mean, Silent is a legit hit. It's still charting. and Futari might not be as big as their first single but it's doing a lot better than most 48/46 recent singles.
     
  13. Marc

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    Perhaps because keyaki is a lot more relatable to the public? I mean when you think of the difference between keyaki and the other groups you can see that with keyakizaka46 their songs aren't bubbly and idol like, but instead maybe more "mainstream" and relatable. Not to mention the choreography that keyakizaka does is unique in its own way along with the side that Takahiro choreograph the dances himself. Not mention that the girls themselves are relatively different then other groups in terms of behavior and rawness. The other groups are use to the spotlight on them if you think about it.
    The 48 groups always have theater shows and so they get far more use to acting a certain way in the public eye, and also adding the competition the members have against each other to gain more supporters.
    And with Nogizaka they might not do theater shows, but they definitely have years of experience under their belt, so they also act in a more professional matter, and are more calculating as to what the audience wants.
    Keyakizaka is still a fairly new group and even though they've become very successful very quickly their still getting use to it all and adjusting themselves accordingly. But with the hard work and the unique vibes they give theirs no doubt as to why this group is fairing this much success in such a short time.

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  14. kanjo

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    Honestly 48G are made for over-saturation. When the public hears the names SKE48, NMB48, HKT48, NGT48 they don't hear unique identities worth checking out, they hear overly commercialised pop industry popping out faceless teens to feed their wallets. To the average non-fan it's just a code, like they don't even feel like the groups are worth naming.
    Nogizaka46 and Keyakizaka46 follow an obvious naming scheme but they've got a lot going for him in appealing to the mainstream just from their titles alone. I.e. they actually sound like names.
    They're also branding a quality over quantity PR, not just by having fewer girls but fewer groups and fewer releases from the horde of groups (4+3+2+2 when they're all perceived as the same is a lot)

    And because 46G are (currently at least) far more marketable than 48G, Sony is justified in investing serious money in staff and staff hours to produce top quality releases.
     
  15. ukifune

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    One reason for the initial switch of names from Toriizaka to Keyakizaka was probably that Keyakizaka is a famous street of high-end shops and elegant illuminations and the name implies "quality" to people in Tokyo.

    On the other hand, I hope @Marc is right and that the public is relating to the naturalness and seeming lack of calculated professionalism of the members of K46. That's certainly one of the reasons I like them. And if they are getting to know them well enough to realize this, it means they are really taking an interest. I mean, the clumsy, hard-working aristocrat captain who was always a follower, until joining K46 released her ability to lead. Her deputy, the beautiful athlete known as the Sergeant, who laid low in the practice races then swept the field as fastest idol at FNS. Both of them prone to bursting into tears of frustration when their intense efforts do not succeed. So many stories and personalities.
     
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  16. ZenigameX

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    8th week sales increased to 19,970 (due to national HS boost)
    Total: 551,603
     
  17. EinhanderX

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    I reckon someone said to me this in discord:
    Honestly I don't know. Never bought No3B CD. And the last AKB CD I bought is TwI, with rest of my purchase(Including all 46G single) is digital. Need confirmation.

    And nice 551k.
     
  18. x_AozoraKataomoi_x

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    Think of Nogizaka and Keyakizaka as Yin and Yang. Nogizaka makes songs with a lighter tone (look at Nandome and ImaHana) while Keyakizaka's songs are darker (look at Silent Majority).

    The problem with Keyakizaka46 and its dark concept is that there is one member that looks out of place.

    Moreover, Keyakizaka46 got invited to two of the biggest Idol festivals (TIF and Jam Expo). PLUS FNS's Idol medleys.
     
  19. ukifune

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    This amazing news deserves a lot more emphasis and explanation. From weeks 4-7, feeling the Kouhaku bump, sales had hovered around 10-11 thousand. That consistency was remarkable in itself. But then in week eight, sales almost doubled, to nearly 20 thousand, even more than week 3. That is certainly partly due to handshake sales, but I need to be convinced that handshake is the entire reason, especially since there were so few new sell-outs from the last round of handshake sales.

    Have a look at these numbers for the first eight weeks of sales:
    futarisaisonto week8.gif

    This shows that the eighth week has become the third-highest sales week of all. Yes, a portion of the bump was certainly due to handshake sales. But a bump of around nine thousand CDs? And idol fans already had had plenty of chance to buy CDs for the handshake event. Do Nogikaza and 48 groups normally get jumps of this magnitude? I continue to imagine that one factor is an increasing popularity in the general public. That idea is supported by reported popularity in karaoke and good online sales.

    In addition, sales of Silent Majority are continuing high after New Year's, showing a continuing Kouhaku bump:
    saimajoto week42.gif

    The SaiMajo bump began in the last week of November, rose through December, jumped in the first week after New Year's to 4,657 CDs, and has dropped only very slowly since then. SaiMajo is #10 on the daily chart for Sunday.

    Not just that, but SekaAi is doing well, too, sitting in 15th place in Sunday's daily chart. So K46 has the numbers 2, 10 and 15 hits for Sunday. As for the weekly chart, Saison is #4, SaiMajo #18, and SekaAi #24.

    In any case, comment on 2channel has expressed surprise at what seems to people commenting an unusual increase. A couple of commenters said that Keyakizaka could be thought of as a bit of a hybrid between idol group and regular artist. A couple of commenters said they were not really idol fans, but had become enamored of Keyakizaka46. One pointed out that K46 is now only 7000 in sales behind NMB's greatest hit, Eureka, its seventh single.

    But that highlights a potential worry: NMB is now on its 16th single, and has never since equalled those 7th-single sales. Many comments suggest that there is a lot of pressure on this next K46 release. Some worry that the stratospheric heights Saison has reached will make it hard not to fall back, which would look like failure. One comment called the current situation a "bubble." I like one comment, however, that the pressure is more on Aki-P and the staff than on the members. It will be exciting to see what happens next. I have a lot of confidence in these members, and also in the staff and administration.
     
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  20. kanjo

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    The thing is Keyakizaka (and Nogizaka) are very far from being bubbles from any analysis perspective I can imagine.
    (1) unlike the 48G they are very far from oversaturation
    (2) their gimmicks are very modest and cost effective to maintain
    (3) they show no sign of needing to expensively increase gimmicks to grow, in fact Keyaki is holding back on HS a lot and could easily increase 40-60k just by giving popular members full slots.
    (4) the growth was gradual. They didn't burst into popularity. Nogizaka grew gradually, and then Keyaki with it. Nogizaka has time-proven grassroots hard core fans, and fans support both groups.
    (5) their fans are still very young. Nogizaka's fans are predominantly in their 20s and Keyaki's in their teens. That's core fans, too! 48G meanwhile has a ~40 year old core fan group from being active from a long time, and from debuting and gaining popularity in a time when idols was an ossan thing.
    (6) popularity is well spread out among a large number of members. Sure, there are obvious queens in each group, but they wouldn't destroy the groups if they left. A decline? Perhaps. But with the popularity spread they do have, they can withstand a number of drops even from top members, and continue to be quite successful, perhaps continuing to grow from the slightly reduced position.
     

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