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  1. too much idea

    too much idea Next Girls

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    Circulates in Twitter that they are spotted to be shooting for MV.
    Also seems like i misunderstood and the one that's going to be revealed "tomorrow" / today is the mysterious shoot from Twitter
     
  2. EinhanderX

    EinhanderX Next Girls

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    As much as I agree on yours(And confused with him/her), it's just on the bigger picture, this is 1st round. There's no one SO in the recent Nogi 1st round for instance, which is perfectly normal. But Keyaki has 6...

    Step your bias aside people, Keyaki has 6 SO on the first round!!

    /mindblown

    @too much idea
    Snowy PV? This is Hakodate afterall.
     
  3. naggi

    naggi Kenkyuusei

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    @EinhanderX well in the end, group achievement is what we want to see isn't it? :D. And wow, thanks for info. I really dont have idea that nogi didnt SO yet.
     
  4. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    Here's the usual sort (prev. rank is only determined by available slots for round one)

    Keyakizaka 4th single 1st round HS sales

    rank. (prev. rank.) sold slots/total slots (+change) (previous single: sold/total slots/round sold out) member name

    01. (01.) 24/24 (+24) (24/24/01) Imaizumi Yui (1st round sold out)
    01. (01.) 24/24 (+24) (24/24/01) Sugai Yuuka (1st round sold out)
    01. (01.) 24/24 (+24) (24/24/01) Hirate Yurina (1st round sold out)
    01. (01.) 24/24 (+24) (24/24/01) Watanabe Rika (1st round sold out)
    01. (01.) 24/24 (+24) (24/24/02) Watanabe Risa (1st round sold out)
    01. (01.) 24/24 (+24) (24/24/02) Nagahama Neru (1st round sold out)
    07. (01.) 23/24 (+23) (24/24/02) Shida Manaka
    08. (01.) 22/24 (+22) (24/24/02) Kobayashi Yui
    09. (01.) 16/24 (+16) (24/24/02) Uemura Rina
    10. (01.) 13/24 (+13) (24/24/03) Koike Minami
    10. (01.) 13/24 (+13) (24/24/03) Nagasawa Nanako
    12. (01.) 10/24 (+10) (24/24/03) Moriya Akane
    13. (22.) 02/12 (+02) (12/12/05) Katou Shiho

    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (15/24/00) Ishimori Nijika
    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (23/24/00) Ozeki Rika
    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (16/24/00) Oda Nana
    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (17/24/00) Saito Fuyuka
    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (20/20/09) Satou Shiori
    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (24/24/04) Suzumoto Miyu
    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (23/24/00) Habu Mizuho
    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (20/20/05) Harada Aoi
    14. (01.) 00/24 (+00) (20/24/00) Yonetani Nanami
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (00/06/00) Iguchi Mao
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (08/12/00) Ushio Sarina
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (09/12/00) Kakizaki Memi
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (09/12/00) Kageyama Yuuka
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (12/12/05) Saito Kyoko
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (08/12/00) Sasaki Kumi
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (06/06/10) Sasaki Mirei
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (03/05/00) Takase Mana
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (09/12/00) Takamoto Ayaka
    23. (22.) 00/12 (+00) (04/06/00) Higashimura Mei

    Total sold out 243/636 (+243) [38.21%]
    Kanji only: 217/480 (+217) [45.21%]
    Hiragana only: 26/156 (+26) [16.67%]

    I planned to make it available before this week but didn't get around to it. Sorry Einhander, I could've saved you some time with the Nogi one. PM me an email address if you want access
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V4wSZ-w_hDAJKbcaNNw0y43R2YhUIrCo-8FXVgVfAyg/edit?usp=sharing

    Nogi used to sell mostly on the first round but then one by one they became too popular to do so. I don't know how or why it works that way but it's clear it does.
    I'm pretty sure Keyaki will become like that at some point so I hope people don't see it as a failing when it happens.
    That's not to take away from the current impressive state. Selling out 6 immediately is amazing. 243 total, too.
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2017
  5. gocchisama

    gocchisama Member Stage48 Donor

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    Probably the second round will be important. You always secure the more popular in first round before going to other girls.

    What counts is how fast you fill the handshakes slots.
     
  6. naggi

    naggi Kenkyuusei

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    @kanjo Fans what to know about member more and their biggest chance are at HS event. When fans think that they already know member enough, they will eventually switch to other member. But not necessary switch her oshi/fave member (this is how i see a lot from my friend who is wota)

    That's how Nakagawa Haruka sold out her hs at beginning at JKT48 and eventually falling slowly (well, beside ssk and her last 2 hs event tho)
     
  7. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    If that's supposed to be about Nogizaka's first round it's very inaccurate.
    Watching Nogizaka since debut, the more popular a girl, the more applications there are. The more applications there are, the harder it is to sell first round.
    From 2ch, less than 1/100 who apply for Nanase will get a ticket but she sells zero slots on round one.
    It's like this with all top members.
     
  8. naggi

    naggi Kenkyuusei

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    ^
    If that is the chase, it look like the management hold on a lil bit? Since they know that popular member will sold out eventualy, so they focus to other first :D
     
  9. drazaar

    drazaar Member Stage48 Donor

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    I didn't know they held on to some at times? lol

    hmm akanen been so prominent and done well on shows lately I guess she doesn't click with japanese fans...o_O
     
  10. too much idea

    too much idea Next Girls

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    She's selling well and always manage to sold everything by the end. Her pace is just horrible
     
  11. naggi

    naggi Kenkyuusei

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    Lest wait for final sale then:D
     
  12. VincentS

    VincentS Kenkyuusei

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    Surprised that they didn't increase to 30slots. Waitng for the center change?
    We probably won't see a jump in sales.
    It wouldn't surprise me if it sells less than Saison, as this one won't have the Kouhaku bump.


    Also a bit harsh on iguchi and takase, barely sold anything and now got pushed to 12slots..
     
  13. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    That's one perspective. Another is that it's nice to give her the same chances. Also we don't know how close she got to selling them.

    The jump probably won't be massive but I think they'll get one. Their fans are increasing all the time, the Hiraganas are getting more slots (and will probably get even more when they reach 12, and, significantly, there's an extra limited edition for the first time. Extra slots and a type D would be overkill. Welcome overkill, but not necessary for a boost.
     
  14. too much idea

    too much idea Next Girls

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    I think there is nothing wrong being optimistic.
    We see the signs that Hiragana are going to be promoted more, like the fashion collaboration announced today.
     
  15. VincentS

    VincentS Kenkyuusei

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    Ah yeah I forgot about Type D. Though I am not sure regular editions add up that much. I'd assume best case scenario are 40-50k max.
    For the handshake, compared to the 15th round of 3rd, there are 33 slots more. That's a modest increase.
    But you are right 30 slots might be overkill^^

    So if at all it will probably be a small jump, like it happend with 1st to 2nd.
     
  16. naggi

    naggi Kenkyuusei

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    If 30 slot, what y'all rather have, another place for event or extend their time at existing place?
     
  17. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    They shouldn't need to. If you look at the table, they're not using the maximum of 5 slots per person per event.
    The only problem would be space issues but Nogizaka do events in the same place with more slots so it should fine.

    Well Taiyou Knock was the first Nogi single with a 4th limited edition and despite being not a particularly popular (/good) song, the extra limited edition alone added about 40-70k copies.
     
  18. ukifune

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    Right. It was Saitou Kyouko, not Saitou Fuyuka who sold out one slot last time but not this. Thanks for the correction. I don't understand it either way, to be honest.

    Some fascinating combos: I would love to see Neru and Kyouko become close. Berisa + Takase Mana (stiff and awkward?). Techi + Mirei (two solid humans). Pon + Memi (two top members of their groups, but how will they get along?). Habu + Katoshi (an adult combo). Akanen + Mao (explosive!) Zuumin + Kage-chan (Kage will probably make this work and get closer to the mercurial talent; Kage is very smart).

    I don't really want to see them expand from the current 24 to 30 lanes per handshake event (like Nogi), but I know they will. No lunch break, just the half-hour breaks after each of their four sessions. Maybe as they get more used to doing these events, they become easier and less tiring. But there is still usually at least one member who has to drop out, at least for a while.

    I don't really understand why Nogi went from early sell-outs to fewer early sell-outs. It's mainly the idea that popularity is more evenly distributed, I guess. But does management hold back a greater number of slots? And if so, why?
     
  19. naggi

    naggi Kenkyuusei

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    ^

    If i were merchant and i have an item that whenever sale time it will eventualy sold out, then i will try to sell unpopular item first

    Just my 2 cent
     
  20. EinhanderX

    EinhanderX Next Girls

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    Lottery system?
    Like, all members were given equal 1/n success rate at first. With the previous data of applicant number, the stakes were adjusted for every single.
    The catch is first round is the round where number of applicant limitation is the highest as we all know it, while the stakes are applied for every round.
    This also explain why some 3rd gen of Nogi sells too fast. They have default success rate with no previous data. Theoretically letting everyone win a tix.

    Another 2 cent.
     

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