Miyawaki Sakura (Sakura)

Discussion in 'Team KIV' started by saika.city, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. CrssA

    CrssA Kenkyuusei

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    Dont really trust hako oshi so much ,

    If such a things really exist nowdays , mayu will got small gap with sasshi this year , by the way yukirin passed this year SSK .

    AKB lost 4 members from last year SSK ( nyan2 , paru , yukirin , tomu ) , but did they got decent result for other members ? Nope . Beside orin's got boost by her sister fans since tomu doesnt taking part on this year SSK . Dont forget too there's some high rank UG like annin which also doesnt participate in this year SSK.

    If hako oshi's is as simple as like that , i'll assume is not only mayu can close her gap with sasshi , maybe also miichan can enter senbatsu by the vote she got from nyan's fans

    But if we take a look from nmb , this year their trump card sayanee doesnt enter SSK . I dont really follow nmb since milky graduation , but least we can say nmb fans is still trying hard to bring their group representative into senbatsu ,

    Mirurun + Riripon got almost 10k votes from last year , and amazing breakthrough by akarin ( well we can say her popularity allready increased since last kouhaku )

    But at least , even 10k votes still far away for sakura to close her gap with jurina .

    The good things are , for this last 2 years , jurina's got a SAME amount of vote , (113.3xx for 2015 and 112.6xx for 2016 ) which mean she even decrease her vote for about 7xx vote for this year SSK .

    Imho , i dont really believe on hako oshi's so much , cant believe that sasshi's die hard wota would care for sakura after sasshi's leave the ssk things .

    Just hope sakura's wota will boost her vote since they MUST believe that we can win this year bcoz sasshi will not attend this ssk .

    Tbh for next year i'll hope sakura got a center single /decent solo song . Signature song also imho can boost member popularity too , like how popular sayanee be after big hit of 365nichi , even she's allready very popular before the 365nichi things , but at least this song also give her huge impact for her popularity .

    The most popular songs from HKT48 is otona ressha , even she's not the center of it . Altough even otona ressha's is like HKT trademarks , not even people remembered it was haruppi's signature song ( since she was the center for this song cmiiw )

    If we want say jurina is our closest rival , we also cant forget the girl behind us , ogino yuka is only have 10k differences vote with sakura ! And she's also allready got her center single with sekai wa aozora doko made na no ka ? Dont know how much this song will hit the fans , but if this songs got a decent rank on next months RH , its not a good sign for us too .

    Remember about ssk thanksgiving concert ? Even sakura need to sang sakamichi's song for that concert , dont get me wrong , even i'm not the fans of fukyuwaon , but i was big fans for seifuku mannequin , and i was really like her performance both for this last 2 years thanksgiving concert .

    But also i was hoping she got a signature song which people can think "this is sakura's song .

    She's only have 3 double center a side song ( 12byou , kiboutekireff and NNM ) and all of those songs is not really a big hit , even NNM is nhk's song , i dont saw that song on the same level of KFC , hebirote , 365nichi , kokoplaca

    And 1 solo center single with KwM . This songs is good , but i'll bet the things people remember from this song is not Sakura being the akb solo center for the first time , But the most iconic things from this song was the legendary original kami7 enter the senbatsu rofl , ( same things goes with kiboutekireff maybe ? All the people can remember maybe that was mayu's center + also the original kami7 make a special appearance on the pv lol )
     
  2. GATX105

    GATX105 Kenkyuusei

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    ^
    Good post especially about sakura not having a song attached to her. She's not as promoted in her own group as much as other sister-group aces (mirurun, jurina, etc.) since they choose to promote other members also.
    I think it's not so much that sashi's fans will care for sakura but more that HKT fans will want to retain the number position in HKT. So maybe some votes will go her way similar to when sayanee did not run and similar to how rie probably gets more votes than she has actual fans especially prior to this year. But yah, sakura fans shouldn't rely so much on this but try to increase votes through sakura's own fans. Sakura should help out too by trying to motivate fans and maybe gain some new fans.
     
  3. CrssA

    CrssA Kenkyuusei

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    the amount votes she gain from just an ordinary HKT fans which want HKT still retain the 1st position doesn't really help for her imho . I assume she's got about 10k votes from ordinary HKT fans + also increases 5k votes from last year , her vote on 2017 was just around 97k~100k votes , even jurina is stucking on same amount vote , she's still behind about almost 15k votes with Jurina.

    gain lot of new fans almost impossible right now , the sakamichi group is too big to break for at least 1~2 years from now , but to gain a lot of new fans inside the loyal 48groups fanbase is not impossible , since until know I believe the 48group fanbase still was very large (we can saw how the 48groups sales + the ssk vote amount still very big ) . that's why I really want she got more promotion for the next 1 year .

    gain popularity is not an impossible things as long the promotion goes on , see how the NGT girls slay ssk 2017. but what we got from our beloved HKT centers this year ?

    Kodama Haruka , 3x times solo center + 1x time double center = doesn't enter ssk
    Tashima Meru , 1x time solo center + 2x times double center = +3 rank -> even she's not reach her best rank she's ever reach back in 2014 or 2015
    Tomonaga Mio , 2x times double center = -12 . I'm speechlees since its too painfull to throwback into mio's speech at this year ssk . idk what happens to her fans , but tbh I was hope this year was her best chance to enter senbatsu
    Matsuoka Hana , 2x times solo center = she's only have 30 gap amount of votes with the unranked line rofl

    i'll not write about sasshi since she's already unstoppable with 3 consecutive wins .

    mgmt can pick anyone to be promoted for , since sasshi will always autowinning the SSK , she can save the HKT48 face even the pushed girl doesn't get a decent result

    but starting for 2018 , can this happen again ? no . since sasshi will not attend the SSK ever again .

    I was never agains the younger gen push , but for the sake of the group I was also think that mgmt need promoted Sakura more if mgmt still wants the #1 crown still retain on HKT48

    its pretty damn realistic , I'll believe there's no one in the group can reach the same popularity / vote amount as Sakura .

    I believe we don't need all time pushes like jurina got in SKE48 , just a decent promotion for next 1 year , at least if Sakura got #1 it will be enough . i'll believe she can retain her fans (also got some new fans too) , then mgmt can back to promote the younger girls (nakomiku , madoka , aki , hana? , lol)

    tbh , there's some younger member already surpassed her in terms of promotion , for example

    even she's not a decent singer , did she ever got solo concert ? nope . and mion , rikaime , naachan say hello . was the 3 of them was in same level with sakura in SSK or HS ? never . you can say mion + naachan was "pure" akb girls , but hello rikahime was even not a kennin in AKB . if this thing continues it doesn't impossible if some of NGT girls can surpass sakura (remember ogiyuka only have about 10k gaps of vote this year) or even the worst , naachan will close her gap with sakura next year since she got new 'weapon' for promotion until next year (read:STU48) , imagine if STU48 got the hit like what ngt got this year how much new vote she will gain for next year ? Dont forget , there's no one will imagine ogiyuka will got about 70k votes for this year ( even also she's got the around 50k votes for the 1st day ! ) or Kitarie coming back to senbatsu as well since she's moved to NGT

    I was hope sakura got a decent promotion + more pushes for at least 1 year until the next ssk , just really want to see her got #1 position . I hope Sakura which was already like my kami oshi's right now will not follow the same way of result of my previous kami oshi (read:mariko . Throwback to early years of akb is how popular she is , but never can reach the level of vote which yuko or acchan get , even the younger gens like yukirin , mayuyu even sasshi surpass her in few years later . )
     
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  4. fukasaku

    fukasaku Kenkyuusei

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    Agree with all of @CrssA said.
    Without heavy promotion by HKT management as their center at least for one year, its hard to gain more fans and no increased fans means its hard to take the SSK crown
    And by the means of HKT center we talk about at least let Sakura be the focus for some times rather than focus on younger member first (and I thought its still too early to groom many younger members when you still have some current member with big potential to not just enter the SSK senbatsu but to be the 1st in AKB group right now and can help to up HKT's name if she wins next year SSK) at least until she maintain her 1st position

    and as you can see in some recent HKT single she just become some "the one beside the center" along with Sasshi as if she is some old member that no need to be push anymore

    And about Sakura dont have any song attached to her is true. As CrssA said all of her centered song she doesnt get any sole focus on her (heck even when 12 Byou promotion time all of the focus was on Haruppi/Sasshi/NakoMiku and a little of Sakura or when NnM promotion in music show she didnt have a chance to talk as all of their focus is on Sasshi/Mayu SSK rivalry) and lets not talk about her only centered single KwM, that single's focus is all to the graduated member

    Im afraid that HKT treated her like Yukirin right now (as HKT ace but not as center because too old to be pushed >_>)

    One thing that missed from Sakura to create a perfect promotion to her its AGENCY ffs

    I really sure Rika got her solo concert coz she got her agency back up for her. You know if Sakura got one esp. some big one Im sure at least she got some roles in a drama or movie and we got to see more Sakura in variety show and promotion in HKT, so having an agency really helps you gain more fans and work too which is suck since she didnt have any right now (she once said that she want to do a solo concert but its hard to get that management permission)

    For some reason one thing that Sakura can do right now to gain more fans is utilize her SNS more esp. her instagram instead waiting for management help which is we dont know when it comes to her. As you see her instagram always been a fashion one and she said that her female fans increase a lot thanks to her aesthetic post in her instagram. I want her to experiment something and produce more of aesthetic photo to attract new fans just like what Akarin did with her Youtube thing (or she can make more make up reccomendation in her insta story)

    And about the push in HKT, its good that HKT want to spread their center between younger members but the older members need that too

    Give Sakura the same amount of push and attention that Hana got in one year and BOOM you will got your new ssk queen from HKT

    Sorry for the long post (and rant[hehe])
     
  5. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    However the fans decide to vote, I bet both Jurina and Sakura get more votes than this year.
     
  6. CrssA

    CrssA Kenkyuusei

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    tbh , i'll not think mgmt whill treat her as how they treat yukirin before. In Yukirin's case , back in 2013 when Sasshi was rising and surprisedly outrank the legendary yuko oshima , at that time yukirin allready 22 years old . AKB got some light of hope in 2014 when Mayu win SSK , but sasshi take her crown back in 2015 , also 2015 was the peak of Yukirin's vote imho . and ofc she's getting older , in 2016 she's already 25 years old . undoubtedly yukirin was AKB's ace , but tbh she's cant be categorized by " Young Members " even since 2013 .

    but in Sakura's case , she's still very young , even she'll get her coming age ceremony by next year ! . she's only 19 years old right now , 1 year younger than mirurun or rikahime . and only 1 year older than ogiyuka ! it will be maddness if mgmt categorized her as " old member " .

    i'm just afraid that Aki-P or mgmt will think enough for HKT,since sasshi allready had 3 consecutive wins . since i felt like mgmt doesnt care too much for HKT these time , even NGT 3rd stage is 'almost' like their original stage .

    imho this year was for NGT and STU . like in the case of rikahime got her solo concert , i dont think the big reason behind that things was just because she has her own agencies , but the biggest think was NGT is uprising since this year SSK . dont ever forget that rikahime was the 'choosen one' at the begining of NGT until Ogiyuka surprised everyone with her #5 in this year SSK .

    same goes with naachan , her solocon also give lot of impact for her , AKB and also STU48 . if she gain more fans from her solocon , it will be easier for mgmt to promoting their new group ( read : STU48 )

    in this case , i just afraid that mgmt will forget everything about sakura . that's why i think this next 1 year was very concern for her .

    agency is important , but without decent promoted for her respective group , i dont see even agencies can boost her popularity . even she got a role in some j-dramas , it will not help a lot if the drama doesnt get a much of success .

    remember yuria got a role in big drama back in 2013 or something with GTO2012 season 2 , did it was help her much ? not . even she's never got a decent rank in SSK ( even also after she has moved to AKB )

    tbh i like the MG franchise , but aki-p end it on MG5 since he killed all the chara in that season , followed by another dimension in kabasuka gakuen , but then he make the stupid wrestling things . if i can give a rate for idol based drama , imho tofu pro wrestling and hatsumori bemars was the worst from all idol based j-drama .

    we cant hope so much about she got a decent role in j-drama , since i think j-drama was not favourite thing for both of mgmt or Aki-p . even i think if aki-p wants to make a big budget movies , if the stories goes right and attractive , it will gain a hugh amount of success . we can see how EXILE make their high&low series from just a 30mins midnight drama until now become one of the biggest J Movies in cinema on 2017.

    at least lets hope sakura got a decent push just for this 1 year , at least to make the competition with Jurina become more interesting . i hope mgmt will not put her behind NGT or STU since she's still very young and promising member (if we take a look from HS Results , she's on top 3 ! almost on the same level with sayanee as the most popular member on HS)

    also i hope 2018 will be a good year for HKT members . esp for Haruppi , Mio , Nako since they dont get a good result in this year .
     
  7. Sasshi_girl

    Sasshi_girl Kenkyuusei

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    I hope in 2018 she can get more work or see more different side of her :)
    Sakura is a person with high potential...
    but to be honest something is still missing which is stopping me from voting for her :^^;:
     
  8. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    ^I want Sakura to do more too. This Chinese Drama is a good step, but it has to snow ball from here. She is 19 already, she wont get new fans in the AKB boundary. She needs to get a lot more outside work and shine in it.
     
  9. wuerfel

    wuerfel Kenkyuusei

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    Her Kennin got cancelled just now. Don't know if I'm happy about it, since she was rarely there anyway and could have more time for KIV now (I really hope so!). But maybe this affects SSK and stuff and I don't want her to drop in ranks :(
     
  10. fukasaku

    fukasaku Kenkyuusei

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    Her kennin cancellation is nearly not going to affected her carreer coz she rarely in theater and she still a senbatsu lock in akb single despite no kennin in that group so it basically affected when there is a team song in akb single

    Btw, welcome home Sakuraa~
    Im happy she can be more focus in HKT right now to #makeHKT48greatagain lol
     
  11. Kiri

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    Still, this could be a good excuse for a hkt solo center :)
     
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    marioworldakb Kenkyuusei

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    Definitely a good thing. Did you see her relieved face when the announcement was made XD
     
  13. Kiri

    Kiri Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    ^ I haven't watched the live, but probably she was fearing a full transfer to akb, which is something fans had been talking about for a long time.

    I am a little worried about this tho, i want akb to have a center of their own but i also don't want Sakura to be left behind... i'm really hoping for that hkt solo center :cry:
     
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    HA! Like she'll ever get one. The only way Sakura will ever get an HKT48 Solo Center now is if she changed her name to Hana Miyawaki.
     
  16. CrssA

    CrssA Kenkyuusei

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    Welcome home sakura ! Wtf finally its such been a great news for me to her kennin got cancelled .

    Idk its a pointless hope or not , but i'll not want to think that she'll never got HKT solo center ever again .

    This year we got 1 single release with bagutte iijan , but assuming we'll have 1st album soon idk if there's still a single before mid of 2018 or no.

    I'll hope she'll get sole focus in 1 song , gladly if she can centered 1 single before the SSK.

    With her cancelation kennin , i'll hope it will decrease the hater since many 48group fans was against the kennin things rofl.

    Withour her kennin status , even it was only a little probability , but it will give her more chance to be center of HKT .

    lol i missed her on showroom too , hope she will stream some showroom live even without the ssk campaign things .

    Also i think if HKT doing some promotion with their single , i'm sure they will got attention from public , even the result will not come instantly , i'll believe their hardwork will paid later .

    Look into NGT promotion for their 2nd single , they do event on release date , even their top members giveaway some flyers in the street . I'll have allready saw how ogiyuka give the flyers on the street , or some non japanesse got the flyers from rikahime in Mcdonalds.

    If u ever live in japan , and you know how 'cold' the japanesse in tokyo , you'll know that to give some flyers in the middle street of tokyo is not an easy thing.

    Did u ever believe the girls who gave you the flyer in the street was #5 rank with 70k votes on akb holy SSK ? Rofl.


    I'll not pushing HKT must do which what NGT has do , but tryhard on promotion , even you'll being mocked or the result will not come instantly , i believe they will paid someday.

    お帰りさくら!さくら咲け!
     
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    Congratulation:)

    If Sakura can have a solo center, I hope for a dark and cool concept like 'boku wa yada!!!!' :^O^:
     
  18. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    May be a good thing may be bad thing.
    I think it depends on whether she stays in Tokyo or moves to Hakata - were she wants to focus her efforts. Also depends on what management has planned for HKT and who they want to focus on - Hanachan or Sakura?.

    Ultimately, I don't think anything she does within AKB is going to make a big difference. To solo or be center she needs to sing and dance better or be so popular management has to put her there. Step one, she needs a strong agency - I can't imagine Sakura is refusing work for CM, TV, Magazines etc.. It can't be lack of work out there since I see Yukirin doing golf, Kojimako has a soccer show, Naanya in a play. AKS does nothing for her like they do nothing for most of the girls. I'm sure Sakura could do more if she had an agency with the power to find/negotiate high profile work for her.
     
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  19. CrssA

    CrssA Kenkyuusei

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    Tbh , i dont see anything that would make any agencies want to pick her for right now . Thats i why i just assuming before going to the next step which got some agencies to pick her , she's need to established herself more in her own groups ( you can say it just HKT48 or in whole 48group )

    Also i dont see anythings related with dance or singing capability to be elected being a center in this fandom , you can count how many members who can actually sing or very talented in dancing which became center on 48G

    now depends on mgmt still wants to continue push girls like hana who's barely got rank in ssk , or they can help sakura who's the only one can compete to maintain the #1 in HKT ? Rofl

    Yes the most damn thing was mgmt need to do something , both for Sakura and HKT48 , sasshi will not ever be the savior again .

    The most frightening part from this situation right now , we'll not surprised if on ssk next year sakura will be the only one hkt representative on senbatsu .

    Take out 3 girls from this year senbatsu ( sasshi , mayuyu , kitarie )

    We'll got some big names left to compete for senbatsu such as mion , kaotan , miichan , renacchi , rikahime , minarun , yuuri

    The only 1 girl who got <2k votes gap with some of them is only mikurin which only have just arround 1,xxxk gap with rikahime , minarun , yuuri , kojimako or renacchi but still have >5k with girls like miichan , kaotan or mion as the UG center this year .

    Dont forget there's still another big contender next year such as yuiyui or yumirin if both get decent push in akb related events until next SSK . Or even the theater no megami finally will stepping her feet on ssk ?

    With lot of this probability , without sudden changes , i was really afraid HKT will be doomed lol.
     
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  20. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    ^As for singing, Sakura has been cracking lately. The last thing management wants is to send Sakura with a big solo part to M-station and have her sing off key. As to your point about Sakura not being attractive to agencies, I'm not sure about that. Haven't a lot of graduate members gotten into agency really quickly? In the past girls had no problem getting into agencies, its only after AKS kept everyone that this stopped.

    I do agree that even though many seniors have graduated, there is a ton of up and coming faces that are all rivals for the top.
     

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