Discussion in 'General NGT48 Discussion' started by Cisalpine88, Jan 9, 2019.
No doubts about this
unfortunately, i don't see anyway to actually prove "direct involvement" from members in the attack. especially since the investigation didn't even begin until months after the incident and any possible culprits had plenty of warning they'd be investigated.
what confuses me is the way they highlight stronger security at handshakes. it's like they don't know where the assault took place
Completely convinced of guilt without a shred of real evidence. Delusional. And disgusting.
Presumably it's to prevent further private contact exchange between members and fans. They aren't just trying to prevent another attack they're trying to prevent members from getting involved with fans again. This might also be why they've gotten stricter about the girls improvising during 1-shot movies.
That isn't to protect from future attacks. It is to suggest that it will be harder to get close enough to have a private/inappropriate relationship with a member, and also a warning to upset fans that if they step out of line they'll be banned from events, so you better not say shit to the members as NGT goes full speed ahead predending the last 4 months didn't happen.
i wish they would have addressed preventing attacks too.
They can do both (and claim to be).
And everything is back to normal. Fans will keep supporting their oshi and the public will forget about the story. The only thing will remain forever is the terrified of the victim and her family, just like every sexual harassment case out there.
the report is out; in a nutshell: it's bullshit. they said no members were involved, but they at least also stated, that 36 members have reported that at least 12 of the girls has relationship with fans. management is aware of it, and is not planning anything to prevent it
So... The case has closed. Can we move on?
The question is now "what kind of relationship?"
And from the conversation above, the mgmt already did things to limit private contacts between fans and members
The extra security measures were put in at NGT lanes to stop patrons telling the culprit members what they actually thought of them.
Everyone knew this report would probably be a travesty as soon as it was announced but you try to hold out a sliver of hope that AKS would have at least some sense of ethics. So, it's only the victim that's being punished in NGT.
Nishigata and Ayakani (and other members) must have some really juicy secrets if AKS were willing to sacrifice the SSK and publish a sham report to protect them.
And of course there's Imamura, but don't worry about him, he's probably already been employed by one of Akimoto's subsidiary companies or just gotten a pension from AKS or an affiliate in lieu of his salary.
To me it's clear no member was involved with the assault. But that's not the point. That is not the issue at all.
The problem is that members had inappropriate relationships with fans (which they admitted to in that post I think) which lead to the assault and is in general going against the idea of being an idol in Maho's head. What she's mad about are the inappropriate relationships which fostered circumstances that lead to this assault and are against the "idol rules" to begin with. All she wanted is for the guilty members to be reprimanded in some way and she would have probably been satisfied (remember, she waited a month after Imamura told her he'll make NGT48 a "clean group" again and that he'll "fire those who are behind the bad things".) The way I see it this is the crux of the whole NGT48 situation.
But they kind of brush it aside... It is irrelevant? It's actually the most relevant thing about this issue.
Spoiler: Google Trans of relevant part
Also, in the report of the third party committee, although it is not directly related to this case, it is mentioned that the members had a connection with the fans in the private domain, and as our company, it is the private domain The relationship with the fans in is considered inappropriate as an act of giving preference to specific fans.
However, it is necessary to be held responsible because we have problems with organizational management, and we have not provided appropriate standards and guidance to staff and members in advance. The general disturbance of the customs, including the connection with the fans in the private domain, is irrelevant at this time.
Their excuse is that they haven't given appropriate guidance/standards/rules to the staff and members about inappropriate relationships. That, from now on, they will consider strict disposal if they discover relationships with fans or actions that disturb the group's union in the future. First of all, these are just empty words. You can say this and then when it does happen they could try to cover it up again. They don't have enough trust at this moment to claim that. Second of all, Maho just has to deal with it? A colleague's nonchalant-ness endangered her life. She tolerated it so far because while she disapproved of it, it didn't affect her. Now it did. And she just has to bear with it? From her position how can she trust the management to not do the same thing the next time and just brush it off? Why would you go to a workplace where you know your feelings get disregarded? Her graduation is practically 80% confirmed. Which is sad because she loves NGT48 and idols and her fans.
Asides from the part I mentioned I think this is theoretically a good response. They said they are examining civil legal measures to prevent such cases from happening again, that they are strengthening security, prevent relationships with fans, etc. But like I said they are not in a position where fans will blindly believe their words nor do I feel like they understand what's at the heart of the issue.
Incidently, they also posted the NGT theater schedule for March 23~31, after the report:
Extra security measures were put in at *all* lanes. NGT ones just had more and more obvious security measures.
I think this should be "strict punishment" no? At least that seems to be the most sensible of that word's various meanings in this context.
You're correct that yes, the problem was disregard for and weakening of the love ban within NGT, but, as their statement admits, that came from above. Not just from NGT management but from AKS. The report probably doesn't take it this far, but I'm pretty sure you can trace that ultimately back to Aki-P. And it kind of... made sense at the time? The groups suffered a horrible backlash from Miichan's head shaving "apology"; and Sasshi almost seemed to ascend because of her scandal rather than in spite of it. Yukirin, the offer to let a married Riripon stay in the group, rumours about STU's contract. Clearly the world had moved forward and AKB48 Group needed to modernise with it. Because caving to public pressure never leads to the wrong decision.
The 36 page (well, 34 actual pages) report goes into a lot more detail about the event itself, about what members (none named) actually did or did not do, what kinds of pressures they were under, where management failed and what it needs to fix, etc.
Also, I really don't think they can punish members for love ban violations. Not now, not in this climate. No matter how much management protests they were not involved, any member outed in such a way will immediately be suspected of bullying Maho or being involved with the criminal group, and basically have her life ruined. Unless she actually was, and according to the report none of them were, then such a punishment is vastly more cruel and inhuman than any of them could possibly deserve. Of course without scapegoats all the unjustly suspect members will continue to be harassed, but it won't be as severe as if one was actually fired.
Actually I don't know what you guys want. Make the case bigger and ruin more girls lives? I doubt that some guys here are worrying for the girls. You just grab popcorn and watch drama, huh?
That's not true. None of the lanes I went to had any more security than normal. They had a timer and the guy to drag you away at the end. Nothing new.
and what are you doing, showing up here to comment at the end of act one to say "show's over. let's go home"
in a thread you haven't even been participating in?