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NGT48 Assault Case

Discussion in 'General NGT48 Discussion' started by Cisalpine88, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Puni

    Puni Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    So does that demote Imamura to a mere puppet whose strings have been pulled? - Asking for a friend.
    From a moral pov that doesn't excuse his (in)actions, but it makes some of the accusations thrown towards him seem misguided.
     
  2. Reveen

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    I said that months ago and was pooh-poohed here
     
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  3. ysa73

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    maho sent a mobame, mostly implying that she is graduating.
     
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  4. half23

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    More pr disaster incoming then

    I wonder how long the brand gonna last if she does graduate
     
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  5. ysa73

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    ngt signed its death warrant the moment they decided not to use this one last chance to try to sort things out
     
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  6. Ophelia

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    Tell them, Maho! I am so proud of her, the courage it must have took to go against management like that... Take them down sweetie, we all support you.
     
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  7. avid.miyawaki

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  8. zon2008

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    It's clearly not only the problem of NGT but the all group by terrible managements AKS. Luckily for NMB and SKE now cuz they're exit
    Mahohon deserves more than AKS.
     
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  9. hermionepj1

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    i don't
     
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  10. half23

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    Take what down?
     
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  11. sakurappu

    sakurappu Rank 81-100 (Temporary Name)

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    It's more like prostitution for me. Ewww
     
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  12. GATX105

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    If the translation is accurate, it seems like Maho only found out who was involved after D had arrived and she and D talked to the attackers.
    It seems like A is the one she wanted to question, the same member that got off the bus earlier? E seems like a person she can rely on who lives on the same floor and D a person she can rely on who is able to arrive at the place the fastest.


    So that's only one member that may have an indirect connection to the attack. But I wonder if there's a B and C somewhere since we have a D and E.
    That translation about Maho's testimony is very informative for us and Maho was very clear with what happened.

    And the tweets while the presscon was going on -- that was really brave (and smart). I was really impressed with how she tried to bring things to light since January but I am even more impressed now, she's really an amazing girl. After the bs treatment by management, I really hope there's a good life waiting for her after this.
     
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  13. Krusha

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    To those who are fine with NGT going down in flames in a disastrous kind of way, even if groups like SKE48 or NMB48 are not part of AKS, please recall that all the groups are 48 groups. They all have that name. This can affect all the groups, in terms of perceived value from sponsors, companies, TV networks, fans, etc. ("---48? Isn't that a group like NGT48? I/We are not interested in that, sorry, no thanks.")

    That is one reason why this is so disappointing to see: Management just shows no understanding of how to properly protect their own product (and understand the context here, I am of course concerned about Mahohon and the girls). If you have a product you want to sell, you don't want to have people think that you are incompetent and the product is damaged.

    They could and should have done this so differently, instead it's blunders and mistakes one after another. For example, mentioning that 12 girls are still involved with males - how does that make fans feel? How does that make sponsors feel? Knowing that there are still problems, and potential disasters that can come from this in the near future? How is it helpful to talk bad about Niigata as a city - even if it is true? How will the inhabitants of Niigata feel about that? Sponsors?

    Personally I hoped they would fire the relevant girls, and issue some statement that they would take care of problems, blah blah, seek to avoid such issues in the future, etc. etc. In other words do something, and offer some sort of explanation, so that people could at least see they are doing something. But having hope is different from what usually pans out in reality and so I was afraid they would do nothing (as is the norm with them), which is where we are now.

    And so my primary concern now, is how this can affect the other 48 groups, because I really don't want to see this spread and metastasize like a cancerous tumor that brings down the entirety of 48G, even if it doesn't mean a complete stop - but serious damage.

    Of course there's already been serious damage, and NGT48 to me - and likely many more - is truly irreparable as of right now. There is zero trust to be had, towards the girls and management. And I don't want this to spread to the other groups.

    Quite sad to see that big companies can have so many incompetent people in it.
     
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  14. half23

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    And the management going down alone will not bring justice to maho, need the attackers to be charged and if there's any member involved on the attack to be punished first


    Its supposed to be the management's job, but hey......you wouldn't want to rely on these clowns
     
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  15. Cisalpine88

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    For those who want it, here's a full translation of Maho's parting shots that she had on Twitter early on, since I didn't see everything translated. This includes all new tweets and retweets. Let me know if I had missed something in the meantime, because I am catching up to this only at the moment:

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    只今、記者会見を行っている松村匠取締役は第三者委員会が行われる前に「繋がっているメンバーを全員解雇する」と私に約束しました。
    その為の第三者委員会だと、
    私も今までずっと耐えてきました。コミュニケーションも何も、このことに関して聞くと連絡が返ってきません。
    https://twitter.com/maho_yamaguchi/status/1108957934006857728

    About the board director Matsumura Takumi, who is currently holding this press conference, before the whole third-party committee began its operation he promised to me that "We'll fire all the members who are consorting".
    "This is what the third-party committee is for".
    Even on my part, I decided to bear up with it the whole time until now. No communication or whatever was attempted, when I tried to ask regarding that I got no response back.


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    私は松村匠取締役に1月10日の謝罪を要求されました。
    私が謝罪を拒んだら、
    「山口が謝らないのであれば、同じチームのメンバーに生誕祭の手紙のように代読という形で山口の謝罪のコメントを読ませて謝らせる」と言われました。
    他のメンバーにそんなことさせられないから、私は謝りました。
    https://twitter.com/maho_yamaguchi/status/1108958036800864256

    On January 10, I was demanded by board director Matsumura Takumi to apologize.
    When I refused to apologize, I got told back:
    "In case Yamaguchi doesn't apologize, we'll make a member of the same team read an apology comment by Yamaguchi on your behalf, like it's done with any birthday letter at Seitansai".
    I didn't want other members to be forced to do such a thing, hence why I did apologize.


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    記者会見に出席している3人は、
    事件が起きてから、保護者説明会、スポンサー、メディア、県と市に、
    私や警察に事実関係を確認もせずに、
    私の思い込みのように虚偽の説明をしていました。
    なんで事件が起きてからも会社の方に傷つけられないといけないんでしょうか。
    https://twitter.com/maho_yamaguchi/status/1108959898233004032

    Those three people who are sitting at the press conference,
    after the incident itself happened, they gave a falsified explanation of things, as if it were all just my presuppositions, when in front of the families briefing meeting, the sponsors, the media, as well as the city and the prefecture representatives,
    without even first verifying about the sequence of facts with me or the police.
    Why, even after the incident occurred, do I need to keep being hurt even by the people of the same agency?


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    「挨拶も私的領域の接触(つながり)になる」
    との旨は調査報告書の何ページに書いてありますか?


    #NGT48
    #第三者委員会
    #調査報告書
    https://twitter.com/favorite_601/status/1108970382789234691

    "Even giving a greeting counts as associating (consorting) on a personal level"
    On what page of the report document is something like this even written?

    #NGT48
    #Third-partyCommittee
    #InvestigationReportDocument


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    報告書に記載もないのに繋がりには挨拶も含まれるというのは勝手な解釈です。
    他のファンには公表できないような、特定のファンとの私的交流を繋がりと言うのはメンバーのみならずファンの皆さんも認識していると思います。
    証拠がないと仰っていますが、犯人グループとの交際を認めたメンバーもいます
    https://twitter.com/maho_yamaguchi/status/1108982412334137344

    To say that consorting includes also greeting, despite the fact that this is not mentioned anywhere on the report document, is just their arbitrary interpretation.
    Maintaining a personal association with certain specific fans, something that they can't publicly announce in front of other fans, is actually something that not only members, but also all the fans have awareness of, I do imagine.
    They speak of how there's no evidence, but there's even members who have admitted to have had [note: romantic?] relationships with the criminal group.


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    なんで嘘ばかりつくんでしょうか。
    本当に悲しい。
    松村匠取締役が当初言うように考えた文章です。
    他のメンバーに謝らせることはできないから、謝るしかなかったけど、
    スッキリも誤解もしていないし、どうしてもこの言葉は使いたくないと違う文章を考えて何度も交渉しました。

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    https://twitter.com/maho_yamaguchi/status/1108988757024231424

    Why do they have to speak nothing but lies?
    That is truly saddening.
    This is the text that board director Matsumura Takumi thought up, as he said back at the beginning.
    Since I couldn't allow to have other members apologize, I had no other choice but to apologize myself.
    There is no such thing as a "feeling refreshed" or "misunderstanding", I negotiated over and over again to think up a different text, saying that I didn't want to use such words.

    In pic:
    "I'm sorry for having caused such a commotion this time.
    After having had various conversations, I finally felt refreshed, there were things that I had misunderstood.
    I hope this will serve as a new opportunity.
    I'll keep doing my best, so please give me your support."
     
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  16. Dirkkun

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    There's a 34 pages report about the incident that was released yesterday:
    https://ngt48.jp/news/detail/100003226
    That's where the A to E members comes from, and the @Cisalpine88 translations are from sections of that.
    ABC are the three who leaked Maho's info. B&C got questioned by the police. One of the assaulter said to Maho during an handshake event that C kept telling him to go to Maho's home. And so on...

    Those members are most likely A=Otsuka, B=Tano, C=Nishigata, D=Murakumo, E=Hasegawa, according to 5ch.
     
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    Damn, this drama have more plot twist than some netflix original series
     
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  18. iainus

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    Somehow this just keeps sounding worse. Mismanagement, lies, corruption, and wasn't there a whole lot of bullying going on too? What an absolute mess NGT is. Poor Maho. It says a lot about her that she HASN'T quit amidst this dumpster fire, the girl's got guts. And more integrity than pretty much everyone else involved.

    Is it too much to hope they announce another reshuffle, transfer her to another sister group and just kill NGT completely?
     
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  19. Reveen

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    Can anyone clarify if the Third Party Committee actually interviewed Maho?
     
  20. Yukitie

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    What I wanted: a modicum of honesty and transparency from those involved and those investigating; a report that truly highlights the failings from across the board, including members, management and the organisation in general; some genuinely proactive steps going forward to protect and educate the members, educate and retrain management, and rebuild the NGT brand and trust from the fans.

    What I got: intrigue and subterfuge from a variety of people within the group and management; a shoddy and potentially erroneous report and conference that did nothing to assuage my concerns around this group, its management or members; little to no idea of what is planned for the group going forward, apart from continued cancelled theatre performances and increased security, which does nothing to alter the root of the problem.

    What happens next: my continued distance from this group and its members, including former favourites who may or may not have been directly or indirectly involved, as I do not feel I can trust the group as a whole or even support members affiliated with it; my idle wish that the whole truth will one day be revealed; my earnest wish that all members get the support and guidance they need.
     
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