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NGT48 Assault Case

Discussion in 'General NGT48 Discussion' started by Cisalpine88, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Cristafari

    Cristafari Stage48 Admin Staff Member Stage48 Admin

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    But, but....he should be resigned to sitting alone in the dark, wallowing in shame!

    @wlerin I completely agree with you that it seems quite silly that people would be outraged by the man having a couple beers with friends. At the same time, it probably wasn't the wisest choice to post it on social media, where it was obviously going to be met with negative backlash due to his alleged culpability in this still unresolved issue.
     
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  3. tuxedo_gin

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    Nobody is mad he's having beers with friends. They're mad he's having beers with people who have extremely bad reputations for being involved in shady and suspicious shit while in charge of AKS groups.
     
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    Being “mad” in general is not a good look, but let’s look for the good in others. :approve:
     
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    If you're trying to refer to Togasakis herb-smoking / adultery scandal: That was reported by Bunshun ( http://stage48.net/forum/index.php?threads/general-the-akb48-thread.180/page-772#post-782192 ) and the consensus in this thread is that they are a bunch of decadent, oppressing, fat, lying liars, that write nothing but lies all day long in order to cover for their new insect overlords.
     
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  7. Cisalpine88

    Cisalpine88 Next Girls

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    As @Dirkkun had pointed out already, Maho's "Likes Cannon" has reactivated again, so as usual here is a translation of all the tweets for easy reference.
    And by the way, I guess some newly-arrived apologists in here (strangely enough, I'm seeing many names among them who have never popped up once in this corner of this forum over the past 3 years, but I won't pursue this discussion...) will be glad to find all the answers they wanted.
    Will update the batch as more keeps coming in, seeing as how it doesn't seem over yet...

    Retweets

    涙が出ます。なんでのん気に飲み会なんて出来るんですか?
    そしてそれをSNSにUP出来るんですか?
    真帆ちゃんは今も一人で泣いたり、フラッシュバックに悩まされていると思う。
    一人のアイドルすら守れなかった人間達が、お酒飲んで楽しいー!ってやってるんですか?そんなお酒は美味しいですか?
    https://twitter.com/sweetgirlspower/status/1103326835943718912

    I can't help being in tears. How is it possible for them to have a drinking party in such a carefree way?
    And for them to post this on social media, on top of that?
    All the while even now, as I imagine, Maho-chan is left to cry alone, struggling with the flashbacks of those moments?
    Such people who can't even protect a single one of their idols, being all like "How fun it is to be here and have a drink!". Is that alcohol tasting good for you?


    Likes

    こんなに物凄い勢いで怒りが沸いたのは久々だな。
    https://twitter.com/ochiha_debu/status/1103293444930265088

    It's been a long time since I last felt a sense of rage surging up with so much force.

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    怒りが沸いて当然だと思うし私自身もキレているけど、ここでただ怒りに任せて攻撃的な言葉を並べてはいけない
    「彼女のファンはこんなに攻撃的な輩ばかりなのか」と思われては彼女にとっても不幸です

    あくまでも理性的に、かついかに彼らが人道的でないかを怒りとともに表明する、たぶんこれが最適解
    https://twitter.com/ochiha_debu/status/1103308971232772097

    I find it only natural for rage to swell up, but even though I too am getting pissed off at it, I feel I shouldn't be writing on aggressive words here by letting anger get the best of me.
    It would only be unfortunate even for herself (Maho) if people would end up thinking "Are her fans all aggressive fellows like that?"

    Manifesting one's own anger while raising the issue of how much these men in question are lacking human decency, and doing so in a strictly logical way -- that would be the most suitable choice possible.


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    自分の生活の中で怒ることなんて全然ないのに、本件はあまりに怒りを誘うことが多すぎる
    https://twitter.com/ochiha_debu/status/1103315740063490048

    During the course of my own everyday life, I have never ended up feeling angered at all, but there's way too many aspects concerning this one case that are eliciting anger.

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    ①社内での暴行事件についての内容をOBとはいえ部外者に話していること
    ②居酒屋であり密室ではない、声が聞こえたり店員に聞かれる可能性がある場所で話していること
    ③「くだらない報道」として多数のメディアを馬鹿にしていること
    ④第三者委員会の発表もまだなのに近々説明があると言っていること

    https://twitter.com/mhhn_n_k/status/1103324986712895488

    ① No matter how much of a former employee he is, to speak to a person from outside of the company about the details of an assault case that happened inside of said company
    ② This one being a pub and not a locked room, to also tell all that in a place where there's the risk of your voice being heard and for the other shop's employees to be able to overhear it
    ③ Making a fool of numerous media outlets by referring to all that as "worthless informations"
    ④ Even though the announcement of the third-party committee is yet to come, to go on to tell that there'll be an explanation soon.


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    ていうかもう辞めてる人間に社内事情話すって会社の社員として頭おかしくない?
    しかも被害者が出てて、弁護士が調べてる暴行事件についてだよ?
    #AKS
    https://twitter.com/mhhn_n_k/status/1103304608552640512

    More to the point, how dim-witted do you have to be, as an corporation's employee, to go on and tell insider informations about your company to someone who resigned long ago already?
    Of all things, regarding an assault case which ended up with a victim involved, and which is still under examination by the [third-party committee's] lawyers?
    #AKS


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    山口真帆さんの事件、改めて考えても運営側の対応に納得がいかない。
    自分達の身内が事件の被害に遭ったら烈火の如く怒りをあらわにして加害者を糾弾するのが当然だと思う。
    全く声をあげないのは加害者側に立っているからとしか考えられない。
    AKSよ浄化されよ。
    https://twitter.com/sume7ragi/status/1103051272528117760

    On the incident of Yamaguchi Maho-san, even if I stop to think about it again, the way the management side handled it is impossible to accept.
    If someone close to anyone of us would end up falling victim to any such incident, I find it would be just natural to show a blazing indignation at it and denounce the offenders.
    Not raising any objections at all means it's because you are standing by the side of the offenders, this is the only way it can be considered to be.
    AKS, do some cleansing about yourselves, already.


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    山口真帆さんが暴行されたのみならず、多くのメンバーが傷つき、あるいは針の筵の上で活動を続けることを強いられている
    そんな彼女たちを尻目に酒飲んで笑うのが、内憂の芽に向き合わず混乱を招いた当事者たる前支配人のやることですか、本当に血も涙もない組織ですね

    @official_NGT48
    #今村悦朗
    https://twitter.com/ochiha_debu/status/1103323268226772992

    Not only Yamaguchi Maho-san was physically assaulted, but many members ended up hurt in their own feelings, or otherwise find themselves forced to continue in their activities while having to lie on a bed of thorns.
    And who is the one drinking away and having a laugh while giving only a disregarding glance at all these girls, if none other than the previous theater manager, the person responsible for having brought about this chaos by failing to address domestic problems? This is truly an organization without an ounce of heart or compassion.

    @official_NGT48
    #ImamuraEtsuro


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    12月25日のクリスマス公演
    長谷川玲奈さん、本間日陽さんに支えられながらステージに膝をついてお見送りをしていた山口真帆さん
    ほとんど目を閉じて、細い声でありがとうと言いながら、手を振ってこちらとは会話もできない様子

    それを見て私は本当に苦しかったです…
    https://twitter.com/kanithony_fffff/status/1102172751597527042

    It was at the Christmas theater show of December 25
    Yamaguchi Maho-san was there, giving a send-off after having to be helped along by Hasegawa Rena-san and Homma Hinata-san to sit on her knees on the stage's floor
    With her eyes also on the verge of closing and while saying "Thank You" with only feeble voice, she could just wave her hands without being able to have a talk with the audience on the other side.

    Seeing a spectacle like this truly made me feel at pain.


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    女の子達が泣いて、おっさんたちは親指立てて笑顔で酒盛り。

    絶望するわ。
    https://twitter.com/julycats2018/status/1103311109161857026

    All the while girls are crying, these old geezers are going about having a drink with smiles on their faces while giving themselves the thumbs up.

    All my faith in them is gone.


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    あなたが支配人をしていた頃のAKB48が好きでした。思い出すら綺麗なままで残せなくなってしまった現状にがっかりです。
    https://twitter.com/mahohon_rittan_/status/1103324403389980672

    (Referring to Togasaki) I used to like AKB48, back in the days when you still were working there as a theater manager. I'm nothing but disappointed at the present condition, which doesn't even let me preserve what memories I had of it as clean as they had been so far.

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    山口さんが暴行事件によって抱えた心の傷は恐らく一生背負っていくものだし、事件によって発症したと思われるPTSD等の諸症状に対しても同じことが言える。たとえ彼女自身が納得のいく形で事件の解決を迎えたとしても、その暴行事件があった事実というものはどう足掻いても消えることがないんですよね。
    https://twitter.com/mahohon_rittan_/status/1102990046049722368

    The emotional scars that Yamaguchi-san is carrying as a result of this assault case is a burder that, I am afraid to say, she will probably have to hold for the rest of her life. The same can be said about PTSD and the other collateral symptoms that this incident caused to develop. Even if, hypothetically speaking, the incident were to reach a resolution in a way that she herself would find reasonable, the very fact that such a physical assault incident took place is something that cannot be erased away no matter how hard one wrestles with it.

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    夢を追うのは命あってこそだけど、この大人たちは物理的にも社会的にもメンバー皆様方の命を守ってはくれない、だから避難した方が良い、と今回の件からそう思えてならない

    @official_NGT48
    #今村悦朗
    https://twitter.com/ochiha_debu/status/1103332799191212032

    Pursuing a dream, this is something you can as long as there's life. And yet those adults wouldn't even deign to protect the lives of their own members, both in a physical and a social sense. This is the reason I cannot help thinking, judging from today's case, that it would have been better if they had sought refuge somewhere.

    @official_NGT48
    #ImamuraEtsuro


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    自分が手塩にかけて育て上げたであろうグループの信頼を毀損しまくってるけど、本当に正気なのかなこの弁当屋。それとももうどうでもよくなったのかな
    https://twitter.com/ochiha_debu/status/1103325625585098752

    They are dealing wanton damage on the credibility of the group which they themselves had probably worked on nourishing with great care, but that only makes me wonder if he is really in his right mind, that bento shop worker [note: Togasaki's current job]. Or have they just stopped caring anymore of what it'll be of it?

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    なんでいい大人が3人いて、飲んでるとはいえ、これTwitterにあげたら荒れませんかね?止めといた方がいいんじゃないです?とならないの不思議。普通あげなくね?っていう
    https://twitter.com/misosan48/status/1103319275048034306

    Why three fully grown-up people wouldn't stop to wonder "Even if it's just us having a drinking, wouldn't uploading it on Twitter end up in all hell breaking loose? Wouldn't it be wiser if we stopped before?", that's something unexplainable. And I mean, can you normally do without posting it at all?

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    なんでこう混乱を助長するような大人しかいないんだろう
    この事件すらエンターテインメントだとでも思っているのだろうか
    一人の女性(あるいは複数人)の尊厳を踏みにじっていることに未だ気付かないのかな

    @official_NGT48
    #今村悦朗
    https://twitter.com/ochiha_debu/status/1103292563061006337

    How come there's only higher-up people in there who are helping foster even more chaos?
    Do they see even an incident like this as nothing but entertainment?
    Did it ever cross their mind that this way they are trampling on the dignity of one woman (and possibly, many more)?

    @official_NGT48
    #ImamuraEtsuro


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    何で事件を隠蔽したのか。

    何で謝罪させたのか。

    厄介連中との関係繋がりは。

    何で保護者説明会や会見には来ないのか。

    社内事情をOBとはいえ、外部の人間に話していいのか。

    第三者委員会の発表はまだなのに、 何で近々発表があるのを知ってるのか。

    率直な疑問です。
    #戸賀崎智信
    #今村悦朗

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    https://twitter.com/Q1nwuaxj2s1Uqol/status/1103335185376931840

    How come you attempted to suppress the incident?

    How come you made her apologize?

    What about the connections you have with the group of yakkai fans?

    How come you didn't bother to show up at the information meeting for the families, or the press conference, for that matter?

    For as much as he is an ex-employee, do you really find it wise to talk about in-agency informations to someone who doesn't belong to the company?

    How come he knows there'll probably be an announcement (from Imamura) very soon, despite the fact that an announcement from the third-party committee has yet to come in?

    Just some honest questions.
    #TogasakiTomonobu
    #ImamuraEtsuro


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    謝罪会見や保護者会には顔出せないけど飲み会には顔出せるんだね
    #NGT48 #山口真帆暴行事件
    https://twitter.com/gatagata_friend/status/1103327295391973377

    (Referring to Imamura) You can't even afford to show your face at the apology conference or at the meeting for the families, but you sure have the nerve to show your face at drinking parties alright...
    #NGT48 #YamaguchiMahoAssaultIncident
     
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    AKS such circlejerks!
     
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  11. EinhanderX

    EinhanderX Next Girls

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    So, even Hosoi lost his job because he just drinking with old colleague and having his photos uploaded with them?

    I mean, he ain't involved in all NGT stuff here.
     
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  12. wlerin

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    Finally. But is he ever going to actually apologise?

    Some of them are actually taking those photos with Inapooh seriously (where they weren't even at the same table in a public restaurant).
     
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    The “meeting” had a meaning... See! No need to be “mad” at it. Good planning, good timing. :approve:
     
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    Why was he fired when they kept TGSK? Was TGSK involved with NGT stuff?
     
  15. wlerin

    wlerin Next Girls

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    TGSK retired a while ago.
     
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    Are there any issues with Hosoi? It feels wrong if he was pressured to have an unplanned retirement because of this.

    I do get the issue with Imamura. While sure, nothing wrong with drinking with your buddies. Taking a photo of it and letting it go online however, while the mess you left is causing a lot of trouble for everyone wasn't really a smart move.
     
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    Well well well, heads started rolling.

    I wonder if certain suspected snakes are up next?
     
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    why is anyone shocked that people aren't happy to see the bastard enjoying himself in his first and so far only appearance.
     
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  19. Dirkkun

    Dirkkun Kenkyuusei

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    Big day.

    http://40298ch.com/test/read.cgi/karakoro/1548413013/201-202
    • Togasaki's deleted tweets and apology.
    • togetter page about TGSK tweets and related things.
    • Maho's likes, retweet and temporarily shown list.
    • Speculations about police station "hacker" in the comments of a post on a matome blog.
    • AkiP went to a Yoshimotozaka46 drinking party around the same time as the TGSK tweets.
    • All Night Nippon is OVER. Unknown if related to incident.
    • Hosoi resigns, AKS cancels contract of Imamura.
    • A truckload of articles.
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    Hosoi's official blog post explaining why he's resigning.
    https://ameblo.jp/akihabara48/entry-12445151057.html
     
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    It is quite weird that AKS has a quick and bold action this time. Even Hosoi loses his job for being involved in the drink. Given AKS was so inept, stubborn w/ their covering face crap.

    A drop on a full water? AKS finally changes? Some leader guy was in hot temper after a bad day? Just a more serious damage control? Or AKS fired these guys for having close relationship with TGSK (we can’t know the inside war for power in AKS) and for spilling secret information to an outsider?

    Let’s see in the next days if we finally have positive changes in Maho’s case.
     
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