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Owada Nana (Naanya)

Discussion in 'Team A' started by HoneyRoastedPeanuts, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. M4YUYU

    M4YUYU Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    Ha, I apologize, it's just the past couple of years have made me quite bitter. AKS spent so much resources for a select few only for some of them to turn into divas in the group and bred toxicity in the fanbase. I got into AKB48 watching them always in high spirit, doing their best to make the groups the very well known, watching them on TV used to fire me up. The past couple of years, it looks to me many members are coasting and are taking things for granted, and when they decided to do a single-member push again with Naanya, I was really hoping that she was going to be something more inspiring than Paruru's anemic response to her push and her general absence in AKB48 activities.

    But it just wasn't meant to be and she practically self-destructed the past few months, and not only that, her SNS shenanigans may have damaged the 15th gen reputation permanently as a result ("mean girls", "bunch of bullies", caused by half-truths). Maybe they need to move away from "CHECK OUT THIS TOTALLY AWESOME NEXT GEN ACE(s)!!!" and pity-party-cry-fest tropes and actually spend resources to properly cultivate a positive group spirit. Not a single member can do it alone. Paruru got so much push and an unrelenting backing from her agency, but she never broke through ones like Mayuyu or Yukirin, who enjoyed the wave of AKB48 origin story narrative. Is it because Mayuyu or Yukirin fundamentally better than Paruru? I don't think so, but Mayuyu and Yukirin had that collective struggle narrative going for them early on that many people were on board for.

    This unbalance also shows up in the fanbase that is now more individualistic (member first, group second). Those whose oshimen is not blessed (unfair!) and those whose oshimen is an "ace" (maybe she doesn't get a push because your oshimen sucks!) shouting at each other and putting the other down because simply, there's no common ground to support them all in the same context. The more hardcore you are supporting your oshimen, the more you see other members and their fanbases as competition. Hardcore fans sometimes forget that without the 48G umbrella, your oshimen will probably won't enjoy any of the exposure she's been getting. Heck, I've seen people saying that their oshimen is a "blessing" to the group and the group needs her more than the she needs the group. I mean, really? Is AKS such a failure of an idol production company that they're just waiting to get lucky?

    I know it hasn't always been fair, but to most people here nowadays, it feels like they don't even belong in the group since most of their participation is in the theater, and most people here don't see the theater shows, only when their popular oshimen is on. The management doesn't really help with not pushing a group narrative (no stages, teams don't really mean anything anymore), but instead even getting more hardcore with competition (no bootstrapping if the member doesn't have initial high sales stats, shuffles, votings, etc.).

    So yeah, I apologize for being a bit mean. I mean, if Tomu do the things Naanya did the past few months, I would also be utterly disappointed and would make it really hard for me to support her anymore.
     
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  2. xcrossfacekillahx

    xcrossfacekillahx Kenkyuusei

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    Everyone is saying it's the last chance for Paruru to be in Kouhaku, so is Naanya's so please vote for her most especially the fans. I just had to plug in here.
     
  3. sscrla

    sscrla Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    But it's not quite the same. 12/31 is Paruru's last appearance with AKB48; we don't yet know when Naanya's will be.
     
  4. xcrossfacekillahx

    xcrossfacekillahx Kenkyuusei

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    However, Paruru has a better chance of making it to Kouhaku through the voting system even without the narrative compared to Naanya so it would be better to vote for her. How many people would look at the fact that she's graduating too even if it's not her last day with AKB?
     
  5. rendizzz

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  6. jell0

    jell0 Kenkyuusei

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    Once again the bullshit armchair psychologists out of the woodwork to derail another thread with their "knowledge"


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  7. Cristina Salazar

    Cristina Salazar Kenkyuusei

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    did you people already vote for naanya already? can you help me though? how can i vote? (i only have 1 device so i will vote for naanya since she's the reason why i joined this fandom and yeah that announcement...)
     
  8. SenpaiPlease

    SenpaiPlease Kenkyuusei

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    I was pretty surprised when Naanya announced graduation back then, because little did I know about the whole thing (like "body issues", the bullying stuff, etc). So after coming here I felt better, because after all I've read, graduation seemed the happiest for her. A few days ago, however, some people started saying that AKS made her graduate along with Mikichan because of the scandal... Don't know how true this is
     
  9. x_AozoraKataomoi_x

    x_AozoraKataomoi_x Kenkyuusei

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    The graduation was completely her decision. She was probably fed up with everything happened to her.
     
  10. Rurouni

    Rurouni Kenkyuusei

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    For Naanya, it seems that she was already uncomfortable in AKB. Without the scandal, she might have stayed, but with the scandal (thus management stop any push for her), probably it only make the decision to graduate easier. Miki is different tho. She looks to be comfortable in AKB and the scandal is probably the main factor on why Miki chose to graduate.
     
  11. dunkindonato

    dunkindonato Kenkyuusei

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    We're never really ever going to find out. Not unless either of them does a tell-all. And that kind of burning bridges is generally frowned upon. AKS no longer arbitrarily fires people who broke the rules as they've been content with reducing a girl's promotion relative to what she did (and to who she is). Far less noise and with arguably the same results.
     
  12. Silenka

    Silenka Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    This is a really fantastic post and it's all true. Nowadays fans tend to be fans only of their oshimen(s) rather than the entire group, and in the foreign fandom particularly, people tend to hide themselves away in their oshimen(s)' threads and attack anyone coming in who offers criticism like a bulldog protecting its yard. We should remember that all the girls are probably quite nice at heart, including Naanya, despite the poor decisions they might make, and try not to bring other fans down too much. But it's also important to be objective once in a while and realize that the fandom has changed along with the group, and @M4YUYU's post really does quite well at explaining exactly how it's changed and why. I think the overseas fan spirit of banding together to support the entire group probably died along with the team spirit in AKB. Now nearly every member is only out for herself and her post-grad career, and many fans' behavior reflects that as well. We should make an effort to remember that AKB is a business and the members are employees, not holy martyrs who can do no wrong and always need to be treated with kid gloves lest their fragile egos be bruised.

    As for Naanya (and Miki) being pressured or even made to leave by management... I can't deny it's a possibility, but I personally think it's unlikely.
    We haven't seen an overt "punishment" for a scandal since Murashige Anna was booted out of senbatsu, and that wasn't even AKB management making the decision. All scandals since what, Sasshi? have been essentially swept under the rug by management, and due to lack of obvious repercussions from the Naanya/Miki scandal, it's fairly clear that was swept under the rug as well. Both of them most likely could have kept on going in AKB for several years and all this would have blown over in time, even if their reputations never fully recovered.

    I think it's most likely that they both decided to graduate because of two factors: reputation after their scandal and weight gain. As for a reputation, it is notoriously difficult to build back up in the Japanese entertainment market. Unless you truly want your life's career to be entertainment, like Miichan does, the pain and hardship to build it back up is just not worth it. I know their scandal wasn't even very serious, but for reasons stated above in @M4YUYU's post (AKB members are being looked at more as individuals than as one part of a whole nowadays), even a small scandal can be very damaging, because there are 250 more girls who haven't scandaled at all. As for weight gain, both the girls are clearly gaining a lot of weight. We've been over this already earlier in the thread but suffice to say it is more difficult to be an idol when you have to strictly diet to keep fitting into your costumes. These two factors together would make a compelling reason for any member to choose to graduate. I don't think management would even have to pressure them to make that decision.
     
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  13. YukoOshimafan

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    @M4YUYU Paruru answered well to her push but she has asthma and had to take a long break. There are so many reasons for graduations,who knows the reasons behind them. We can only guess.
     
  14. rka

    rka Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    Slightly off-topic:

    "oshimen first, group second"-fans are actually OK ( i used to be one myself), as long as they realize that the group is the catalysator of your oshimen's success. Virtually everyone benefitted from Acchan's success, for example. I can only guess, but i think there were tensions between the fan armies of Yuko and Acchan, as well, but i think that - at that time - everyone really enjoyed being on AKB's shinkansen to success. I dont think i am exaggerating by stating that a lot of members were rewarded with pretty big agency contracts which they likely wouldnt have gotten without the AKB48 label.
    (As a sidenote, i feel like most of the veteran fans - at least the international ones - know each other from events and concerts back then, and this comradery should override many "Your oshi, my oshi"-shenagigans.) Nowadays, between 5 groups and more than 300 options to chose an oshimen from, the fandom has diversified greatly, with a smaller common ground but way more reasons to fight about (aka generation gap, kennin system, etc).

    Really off-topic:
    I have a reputation of being the forum's worst paruru hater (between the two of us: i am not), so why not acting according to the stereotype. I feel there is currently some kind of narrative in construction which tries to attest that Paruru was actually a real success story until unfortunate health problems forced her out. I think thats not depicting reality. Just saying.
     
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  15. YukoOshimafan

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    @rka I said that there are many reasons for a girl, for example, Naanya, to decide their own graduation:
    I didn´t try to push any narrative. I said that there are many reasons for a girl to graduate, including Paruru. I never called Paruru a mega success push, I said she didn´t fail, because is not like she never became popular or never reached Kami7. So yes, she became one of the most popular members. Even if she didn´t reach the level that people expected and she changed rankings. She had her flaws as well as other members had their own flaws. So maybe that also had to do with not reaching the first places. But I would say that her lack of AKB activities during half a year because of her chronic asthma also had to do with it. That can happen to any member who become sick and is on hiatus so many months.
     
  16. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    She would have made a great center. She had a very pretty voice too.
     
  17. gocchisama

    gocchisama Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    I agree, i think this is something everyone know but nobody really bring backs to the table. The context is important to explain someone's popularity. Paruru was popular because she was atypic, but never reached the level management wanted of her. That's why they switch to Sakura

    "Cultivate a positive group spirit" deserved my like. It's pointing out something absolutely mandatory to bring back AKB to an acceptable level in the entertainment industry. We have lived way too long in ultra popular member back up comfort zone, and are overwhelmed by the fear to lose the million. We need to regain confidence even if it means losing a little in the deal. Bring back this feeling of team/unity.

    I think Keyakizaka has the answer. I have observed fandom and group alike for one year, and they have developed a brand new fanbase on their own (very young, not old fan from 48group), with a different mentality. Why? Because the girls have all strong character that define/make them stand out individually, but it exclusively serve the purpose of unity. A lot of fans love the group as one, and it has been built for this sake ( 20 senbatsu line up, heavily group based choregraphy). Something quite unique and this is my opinion, Keyakizaka front row is so rich in interesting members that you end up liking almost everyone ( once you start with a member that caught your attention, then you realize the one next to her is also awesome, then after few TV show someone else is striking you down with amazing dance performance).

    I think to re-focus on making good quality music would be a good start for the 48group. But how to manage that when Aki-p force management in his lyrics monopole? That's a problem to fix.
     
  18. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    ^Some very good point there. I agree. One point I like to add is that this fear is really on in the head of managment. The Non-Yukirin/Mayuyu girls are just fine. They are not inferior to Yukirin. Managment should take the leap of faith and just go with there new girls - Don't worry about falling popularity; the system will eventually correct itself.
     
  19. Cristina Salazar

    Cristina Salazar Kenkyuusei

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    can somebody translate this? i think this is about NHK and when i translate it via BING she said on last part is "My last kohaku UTA gassen. Just wait for the result. Pounding" :cry::cry::cry::cry: naanta.png
     
  20. xcrossfacekillahx

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    She says that the voting is over and she says thanks to everyone who voted for her spreading it through SNS.
     

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