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Owada Nana (Naanya)

Discussion in 'Team A' started by HoneyRoastedPeanuts, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. kyoto48☀︎☂

    kyoto48☀︎☂ Kenkyuusei

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    I disagree here. Because in my opinion it is not the management and their pushes that is causing the problem, but the new fans. It seems like a large part of the AKB fandom has changed (in a negative way). It feels like so many people are only "my oshi first" and don't give a damn about the group. The number of fans who truly care about the group's wellbeing has really become less than before. People really aren't happy about 1m sales/week if their oshi didn't get a good position in senbatsu or in the b-sides.

    I don't know... I'm opposite of this. Sure I'm happy if my favorite members get good positions, and I'll talk about members' positions. But honestly, they can take sakura and mayuyu and jurina completely out of the next single and if they still sell 1m/week, I will be f*cking ecstatic. I might complain a little, but I don't care that much because the group is still doing amazing. And I honestly, even worse than that, is "fans" who say they will stop following akb when their oshi quits. Seriously why even follow the group then... I seriously don't get them.

    No matter what the management does with new pushes or new mentality, these new type of fans will not change. I guess that is the price to pay for AKB being the top idol group for years now.
     
  2. EinhanderX

    EinhanderX Kenkyuusei

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    Fair point.

    But don't you think those two(Management pushes and new fans) are correlated as well?
    Like, new fans comes during the time when the pushes are going. And with no surprise, their oshimen is the one that is pushed, thanks to exposure.
    That's how they start their fanning days. "My oshi first". With luck, they would get a secondary oshi some times later. Or not.

    You (and I) can't expect them to support the entire group from the get go. I know I didn't at my early days, worse with SSK running, and went through many graduation to actually come to these realization. It comes with time, I suppose.

    However I agree with "fans" who quit or jumping ship because their oshi quits are worse. I wish them to give us one last laugh when they rage quit.:D
     
  3. gocchisama

    gocchisama Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    keyakizaka doesn't suffer from this "my oshi only" problem. And they are new fans.
     
  4. xcrossfacekillahx

    xcrossfacekillahx Kenkyuusei

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    Naanya got in for the Kouhaku performance, congrats.
     
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  5. Reveen

    Reveen Kenkyuusei

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    You have data to back this up?

    In some ways I do get them, I stopped following Iron Maiden for a couple of years after Bruce Dickinson left the group, it just wasn't the same with Blaze Bayley on vocals.

    On the other hand though, AKB are not exactly a traditional group and fluctuations in membership are expected so the comparison isn't 100% applicable. Still I can understand people having difficulties adjusting to a new reality
     
  6. gocchisama

    gocchisama Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    This statement come from my own experience of the keyakizaka fandom, which includes : twitter, matome, LINE group, 2 channel, etc.

    Keyakizaka management did a good job developing everyone personality. Even if what i see is entitled to my opinion, the excellent results of Keyakizaka in handshake is a fact
     
  7. Cristina Salazar

    Cristina Salazar Kenkyuusei

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    CONGRATS TO OUR NAANYA!! she made it and we made it for her before she grad...
     
  8. YukoOshimafan

    YukoOshimafan Kenkyuusei

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    @kyoto48☀︎☂ Well, I think that people can eventually lose interest in a group if their oshi graduate and if they don´t like the way AKB is being handled or the music they are doing they will move on, is a mix of things. In my case, lately all my favs have been graduating (including the ones that are new like Naanya and Miki) so my interest is low compared to before and I don´t specially love their last songs, but I know I will probably be around and who knows, maybe I can find someone else to support or I will keep update with the group. But then other fans prefer to move on, who knows, it depend on each person.


    @gocchisama I agree with you, management could handle new generation better, there are companies who take care of the idol´ s weight issues or personality and eventually they get better. I don´t want to name other groups but this happen in Kpop too. Lately, they seem like each member has to deal with everything themselves. For example, Naanya and Miki´s careers could have been handled better.
     
  9. fatrain

    fatrain Kenkyuusei

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    to be fair, there is nothing unique or surprising in that - every new group have a solid fanbase that roots for the success of the group. it was like that with AKB and all it's 46/48 sister groups. the problems start when orimen graduate and new members get promoted to fill in for them - only then fanbase starts to crumble when fans want for their oshimen to be picked for this sweet little push.

    so in AKB's case, both reasons for it's divided fandom are valid - fans start to root more for their oshimen only and not the group as a whole, because of the change of generations and also because management did everything to split them and kill the team spirit - from frequent team shuffles and kennins/transfers of members that nullify the meaning of team/group, to constant "gladiator fights" between members and their fans like Sousenkyo or comparison of handshake/goods sales, etc...

    ps: congrats Nana!))
     
  10. Cristafari

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    This exactly. Although to be fair their is still a fair amount of team spirit for the sister groups. But overall the constant "competitions", from the SSK, to Request Hour, to this new Kouhaku "SSK", even Janken, it is an endless competition pitting one girl against the other. It has killed a lot of the group fan camaraderie. Even between groups. In the old days being a fan of one meant you were a fan of all. AKB, SKE, NMB...Now those have become more like rivalries too.
     
  11. paruchory

    paruchory Kenkyuusei

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    Now the girls are more than 200 and way to interact are more than in the past, it's impossible to follow all the teams and groups in details. And if you don't follow.. it's harder to appreciate a narration that you don't know.
     
  12. Rurouni

    Rurouni Kenkyuusei

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    Personally I think there are just too much members and it is hard to make a lot of people happy at the same time and also make it hard for the fans to follow them as a whole. That is why I don't really like they added 16th gen. They don't have to keep Team AKB4. Just make it three teams and let each team do more performances. Also the set list shouldn't be fixed. That should be enough to keep the theater interesting to follow and bring more unity within the members and also make it easier for the fans to follow. And believe it or not there are members that like to perform on theater, thus if someone said members need to value theater more, yes, some of the members do value theater a lot, it just that the opportunity to perform at theater is so little. It is like you want to work hard but you're not allowed to do it.
    The ranking itself and the importance of it is probably related to the amount of members they have. The more members in 48G, the more important the ranking is because the number of opportunities are not increasing (actually, even theater performances are decreasing), thus if you're an AKB members, even if you're fine just being a theater girl, you will probably have lesser work opportunity if your rank (either through SSK, HS, goods sales, etc) is low. If you keep the members working, they have less time to think about this ranking stuff and can focus more on their jobs. You don't give them work, they start to think something else... probably thinking how to rank high (and the eventual disappointment if they don't rank high) or quitting or something else. Probably some girls are quitting not because they don't love AKB but it is AKB that don't love them.

    I know that theater performances cost money (and probably not profitable for the company), but what do you do when you are having trouble keeping a lot of members happy? add more members! yes, fine solution.
    It is probably one of the reason for Naanya and Miki to graduates, because, well, where are the opportunities in AKB after they are out from management radar?

    I just don't know....
     
  13. Mana

    Mana Kenkyuusei

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    Congrats Naanya for being one of the 48 members voted to perform for Kouhaku!!! <3 I'm really happy for her, especially considering this is her last chance to appear on Kouhaku, and she really wanted it to happen. I do believe that she could have been selected regardless of graduation because despite everything that happened in the past months, she is still one of the most known/popular/discussed new gens of AKB. Her followers on social media are also a proof of it. Anyway that's a great gift for Naanya before her graduation. I'm looking forward to Kouhaku ;w; <3


    About the discussion here, it's interesting to read even though it's a bit off-topic LOL.

    @kyoto48☀︎☂ I don't think it's surprising at all that a lot of AKB fans are only supporting their own oshimen and no one else. I mean, AKB is a group where only some girls get to have a push, only some girls get to have opportunities, and with elections especially, they're totally pushing the rivalry between all members. I don't find it weird, in this situation, that some fans would only support their favorite member... and I also don't think that it's something new, it was the same before too, I'm pretty sure lots of fans left AKB at the same time as Acchan graduated or at the same time as Tomochin graduated and so on. Even though back then we had more fans of the whole group, fans of teams etc. now this won't happen because we keep getting shuffles and the teams have no identity. How to support a whole team when the teams now barely ever get songs or team events, and we keep getting more and more graduations in each team...

    Anyway, I can understand if some fans support their favorite member only, or if they support the group but decide to stop after their favorite member leave. It happened to me too (not with AKB but with other groups) sometimes you can't force interest and force yourself to support, that's just how it is. :/
     
  14. xcrossfacekillahx

    xcrossfacekillahx Kenkyuusei

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  15. starfast

    starfast Kenkyuusei

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    Does anyone think her new haircut suit her
     
  16. Mana

    Mana Kenkyuusei

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    @starfast I just went to see it now after reading your post XD I think her new hairstyle looks cute ^-^
    I really liked her long hair though ;___; She posted a photo of her ponytail one day before the change >_<

    Here are all the photos (the first photo is her old hairstyle, 2nd and 3rd photos are her new hairstyle) -

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    https://twitter.com/Nana_Owada728/status/818749102376697858
    https://twitter.com/Nana_Owada728/status/819155931095187456
    https://twitter.com/Nana_Owada728/status/819156774649401345

    N1.jpg N2.jpg N3.jpg

    She didn't really "style" her hair in the second photo, it looks a bit messy LOL
    But in the photo together with Aeri, her hair is styled better and it looks cute!


    Also, about Kouhaku, 36th place is really good! Congrats Naanya, it's great that she got to appear on Kouhaku ;w; <3
    I watched it and I could see her a little during the River performance, but just some seconds at the back (LOL) and that's it XD
    well, with so many girls on stage, it's expected that the lower ranked ones wouldn't get to appear a lot. It was nice to see her!


    Btw Aeri announced her graduation some days ago. For those who don't know, she is one of the closest friends of Naanya ._.
    It made me wonder, maybe both of them discussed about graduation before... they're both graduating around the same time.
     
  17. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Kenkyuusei

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    Naanya's grad will be a big loss for 48G. I know of no other girl in 48G that had such an impact by one PV. On watching Party is Over, everyone knew immediately she would be on of the top members. She lost momentum before she got there but many believed she could still get to the top if she tried harder.

    I was looking forwards to it. And just when she was becoming a good singer, she's gone.
     
  18. xcrossfacekillahx

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    Of course she doesn't show up on 15th gen photo on Mion's live performance but Mizuki was there.
     
  19. Mana

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    Naanya quoted Miion's tweet 10 hours ago and she wrote "Ganbatte~" with some emoticons.
    Here: https://twitter.com/Nana_Owada728/status/821935878989758464

    But yes it's very weird how ALL 15th gen were on the photo except Naanya. I have no idea what happened between them, but it's confusing. I guess there's an issue between Naanya and one (or more) of the 15th gen members, which is why she's not there when they gather. But I really can't tell who she has an issue with. well, Naanya and the other original 15th gen don't mention each other as close friends anymore... :/ (except for Manami & Naanya they still hang out).

    In the end, I doubt we will ever know what happened between them, but I'm doubting that any of the 15th gen will appear on Naanya's graduation stage. :/
     

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