Why won't you like my oshi!?

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

I think I need more explanation for this.
Not that I'm angry about it or anything.
I just want good reasons for it

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

I think garnetjester and teddbear55 had already mentioned what would've been my initial evidence.

The election video is perhaps one of the most surprising moments for me in regards to Tomochin and it was what changed my view on her.

I originally thought along the lines of those who believe her to be self-centered before I watched the video and due to this, I thought Tomochin would be one of the ones who would be bored or completely blank during the entire rankings, until it got to her turn, and was rather surprised to find her crying for her teammates before that time.

To me, it showed me that Tomochin is actually compassionate and cares for other members.

And here's another one (from the A5 thread, it's fairly old):

And now for other matters.

Um, actually I was saying she had the qualities of a leader AND she was there since the beginning. I wasn't actually saying that she deserves to lead because she's been there since the beginning.

I agree wholeheartedly that Yukirin and Nonti are great leaders (as well as others), I just always thought that other people believed that Takamina was more "worthy" because she was first gen. I personally don't agree with this view, but I can see why some people would believe that (it makes sense in a way), which is why I said what I said.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

Lols I read through this thread...kinda...and I find this really interesting...

Since I'm a relatively new fan of the girls...but of course, I got to know more about them on my own initiative...
And being a new fan, I can't guarantee that my judgements are right...

But of course a dislike or hate for an oshi ultimately boils down to your personal preference.
I'm a girl, and I was never into overly cutesy stuff. Which is why I still can't take most of Team B songs until today. And I don't dislike Team B...but as for most of them other than Masuda Yuka, I'm pretty much indifferent towards them.

And basically, well if you'll look at my top 3, Sayaka, Takamina and Yuko. You'll notice that all 3 of them have a boyish personality about them.

About sayaka, lols about the overly passionate sayaka fans, haha I've noticed that and I guess even as a new fan, with her being my no. 1, I guess I can get a little worked up too easily when it comes to her too. But ultimately, we as fans just want the best for her...but I mean at the moment...yes it's better. but ultimately, based on her own talents and let's not compare with other girls, I still do believe she's getting less than she deserves. Of course, you may beg to differ. And about sayaka being a dork with her gorilla faces, well nothing we can do about that if you don't like DORKS. I generally like dynamic characters like her, and that's why I love her. But it'll be different for everyone.

And now moving to takamina, well generally, I think it's the hardest for anyone to actually hate her. Verging on dislike but probably not as much as hate. And yeah, I was worried about the whole concert being named after her and the management pushing on the idea of her really being CAPTAIN of all of AKB...cause the only one girl who probably had almost non-existent haters was in danger of getting some in that process. But I do think it's pretty unfair to hate on her cause of the management. Ultimately, girl is just trying her best and doing all she can to pull AKB together...whether or not she's captain...it's just a natural instinct in her. And about some of you preferring her to LIP SYNC rather than sing live because she's ruining the mood of the song and not singing it right...AHHA personally, I totally disagree. In my really honest opinion, I am glad she is actually making the EFFORT to sing. I rather you sing live and suck, rather than lip-syncing all the time. After all, it's only when she's singing live regularly, for good or for bad...that's how she can improve as a singer. Like a lot of you said, she's passionate about singing, so it's understandable.

On the subject of Yuko, well I went from being indifferent about her to loving her. Why? Well she's crazy, nuts, out of her mind, mad...but dang, she's entertaining. And also, I've seen that she can have a serious side...A very much more mature side which can really balance the insanity in her. haha. Girl really knows how to have fun in her life, but yet, she's still someone who can be serious and really does work hard for her goal.

Which is why for these 3 girls, I love them and have nothing but respect for them. I cannot hate or dislike a person for trying too hard like some of you have said. In terms of determination and fighting spirit, that's something I really awe about for these 3 girls. As for takamina and sayaka, they both to me have amazing charisma as leaders, and they're just a figure you have to look up to. And as for takamina, sayaka and yuko, they're never fake. They never pretend to be someone else...they're just them. it's just like they're saying "Well this is me. Love me or hate me, that's up to you." And also, personally, I really enjoy yuko's enthusiasm and stage presence when she performs. There's just something about her that STANDS out. As a centre, I really prefer her compared to acchan because of the energy level she gives off to the group. It really does make the performance more dynamic.

Anyway, now to girls I dislike, until now I still have something against Miichan. She really kinda annoys me because sometimes I feel like she's giving the "IN YOUR FACE" vibe from her facial expressions. She seems kinda defenseless too...and if you hadn't already guessed, the reasons why people dislike my top 3 are probably the exact reasons why I love them. Cause they're independent and can stand on their own feet, and they're strong that way. Miichan on the other hand appears to me as a weak character, and well, maybe I'm wrong about this. But I always gets the impression she depends too much on others.

And well a person I have a love-hate relationship is none other than Acchan. She's toned down now...but I didn't like the fact like when I watched the older video on like how she's sometimes a little full of herself. However, yuko taking centre from her last year kinda brought her back down to earth...and I'm glad about that. Also, I have a problem with her being too overrated. I mean, sure, she has a commercial image and is up to now AKB48's main face...she was the face I knew from AKB mind you...But I find it unfair she's also the one getting all the BIGGER acting roles when honestly, she isn't that great of an actress. But then that's life. But sometimes I do love her especially when she's with takamina. Normally when it's just acchan alone, she's not really dynamic...but when you put her with takamina, she kinda comes to life and that's when I love her XD

Ohhh yeahh and about sae being too genki and all...i find that amusing cause everything that people have said about SAE are the precise reasons why I like her. HAHAH.

Anyway, that should be about, meaning I either like the rest well enough or I'm just indifferent towards them =p

*Oh and also about itano tomomi, I do think she has a bitchy face. But it's just her face. haha personality wise, I'm fine with her xP*

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

Isn't Nacchan the unofficial replacement for Takamina for the pre-performance speech and cheer if the latter isn't present?

And just to respond to comparing Sae to Harugon, and Sayaka to Takamina.

I admit Harugon is one of my favourites, but her hyperness is different from Sae's. She doesn't have the annoying screeching yell, and her voice doesn't really even allow her to yell much. Plus, she's certified batshit crazy and seems unconditionally loved by all the staff. She also tends to do these things only in the backstage area too. Sae seems to be yelling every second sentence.

As for Takamina and Sayaka, both are like mid to low-tier as members to me. But Takamina is serious business only when it comes to AKB performances and such. Sayaka is serious business at everything that has to do with assessing some kind of attribute. In programs like Shukan and Nemousu, the main point is to entertain, and have fun while doing so. One major one was mentioned by Genki - the basketball challenge. Took it way too personally when she wasn't even expected to win. I'm not too fond of her appearances in the Nemousu episodes either for the same reasons. She hasn't really competed in anything for a while now though, and she appears to have lightened up a bit.

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

^
^ I've actually been wondering about the same thing a lot lately, whether the girls are too busy to do what they can to improve themselves to achieve their dreams after AKB. Are the ones who want to become singers/seiyuus getting voice lessons, are the ones who want to become actresses getting acting lessons, that kind of thing. [think]


@convenience93

Thank you.

You said most of the things I want to say about Sayaka and especially Takamina (Yuko is my no.2 but my reasons for liking her are a bit different from yours).
I debated a lot on whether or not to respond to this thread, particularly since the things about Takamina being called the best singer/leader of AKB are not even something that Takamina herself has done.

I've personally never described Takamina as the best singer of AKB even though I love her and her singing/performance, partly because I know that she still has a lot of room for improvement. She may not be the best in terms of technique and control, but I like her voice the best.

It really is a matter of preference, just like how I feel about Maeda. No matter what I see/read about her or what other people have told me, I can't see her as anything other than just a pretty face with no real talents or personality who somehow gets to be the centre of AKB.

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

I said I was going to come back in and explain how I felt, but your explanation is pretty much exactly my feelings on the subject.

The short summary for me is that I didn't mind her at all at first when I didn't know her well, I even liked her... but in the past few months, as I've seen more and more of her personality and image (admittedly in part because of the recent increase of SaeYuki type things, because Sae is my #2 so I seek out things having to do with her) I've found that she is very much not my type. The pure, princess-like idol doesn't appeal to me whatsoever and her attitude strikes me as one that is somewhat... selfish and insincere. Maybe I just haven't seen the right side of her, but I value idols whose images include being silly and not taking themselves seriously, and I feel like she takes herself very seriously. It's also imperfections that endear me to idols a lot of the time, so the "perfect" image is not one I'm really a fan of.

I like idols that I feel like I could get along with in real life, and Yukirin just seems like the sort of person that I really wouldn't get along with. XD;; And I see Sae as someone I could get along with, so when they get paired, it sort of feels like when a good friend is dating someone you don't care for. But pairing stuff is for another thread, I just wanted to chime in as another whose lack of fondness for Yukirin was not borne exclusively of her getting paired with Sae. *shrug*

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

I'm not that much of a fan, but I was just wondering why people don't like Komori Mika ?

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

LOL so after reading and much deliberation I decided to throw my 2 cents in Please don't bash me for my shallow remarks on the members. I am a girl so I judge other girls differently than most people would.

Mariko - I loved her in MG as Sado, but lately her character has been unappealing to me. Also what bothers me ALOT is her thumbs yes I called her out(YES even megan fox has thumbs like hers). But I have always notice it, and now you will too.. LOL I also don't like her hair recently its very... (no words to describe how i feel about her hair)... She looked really good in the Oogoe Diamond video when she was the "diva" of the school with her long hair. But all in all Mariko is OKAY..

Itano - I argue alot with my sister over this. But I just can't bring myself to like her. My sister loves her for her fashion sense, but I just don't see it LOL

Oku - She never had an impact on me, for some reason I just get irritated when I watch her sometimes LOL don't know why maybe stage presence?

Aamin - LOL eyebrows plain and simple.. But she is a cute girl if she thinned them out.. I give her that

Harukyan - Ehhh.. I'd like to keep this comment to myself but it mostly has to do with her appearance.. Sorry to all her fans. But I also heard she was a drama queen too backstage..

Ayarin - I didn't like her for no reason, but she's starting to grow on me as my fandom for Warota grows

Sayaka - Siigh.. I used to like her because we had the same birthdays(yes lame i know). I liked her manliness and how tough she is. But lately she seems overly dramatic on some occasions and it irritates me, plain and simple.

I know a majority of this is quite shallow of me but ehhh what can I do. I have a lot of peeves LOL even with my Oshi Mayu lately her bangs are not fixed how she usually does it but.. I have to get over it like I did with everyone above..

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

LOL, I was waiting for someone to say something about her thumbs XD
I find her thumbs really bad, but I guess all beautiful people have stubby thumbs

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

@Whistler
LOL your welcome. Hmms why do you like yuko then? just curious.
To be honest, I like her for various reasons...what I described was just part of it :3

As for takamina, she is my 2nd favourite vocals in AKB since my fav is sayaka hands down...but that's a different story.
But on takamina, why I love her and her singing soo much is because she WORKS so hard on it.
She tries her best to sing, to improve..and really, I appreciate that. And she's not the best...but she does have a pretty good voice. Given more time and if she continues working hard, she can work wonders. She has soo much potential in her.

About acchan, well...I think even she herself has stated she has no special skills. she's just someone who got her lucky break. And it's just her look...she has a very commercialised look that has worked for AKB48. I don't mean to diss her, and I don't hate her...But I guess she's the sort that just takes life as it goes. Sayaka, Takamina, Yuko on the other hand are the types that are completely passionate about whatever they do. And I like that :3

@akbMONSTAR
LOL on how you used to like sayaka coz u have the same birthdays...that was initially my reason for liking masuda yuka as well. we have the same birthdates...not year though :3

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

I used to like Reinyan just because she had the exact same birthday as me (Feb 1st 1994 which everybody must know by now since I flaunt it)

But then I realized she's completely gorgeous and adorable and now I like her for other reasons too. 8D

 

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Omg, everybody and their long gigantic posts I think I agree with what convenience93 said for the most part, except I like both the people you like and dislike and the reasons are slightly different. I'm so tempted to write an essay length post talking about my opinion on all the stuff said here, but I doubt anyone's going to read it, so I probably shouldn't

I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but one of the bigger problems or issues that bothers me is when people hate/dislike someone because of things that are out of their control, if that makes sense [wonder] and hopefully you know what I mean.

Oh well... have fun hating/disliking/being indifferent towards the members that you hate/dislike/indifferent towards.

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

I know Nakayan and Chiichan are recieving voice lessons.

As for acting, well most of the girls do recieve training to help them for their specific roles (Majisuka is an example).

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

Wah, this thread is really interesting, and reading all your deep thoughts about why you dislike a person is frankly, quite entertaining and thought-provoking, coming from someone who don't really hate anyone in AKB48.

Actually, my first contact with AKB was through music show performances and I really "hated" a lot of them, e.g.:
- chiyuu (for not trying to even lip sync)
- mayu (her face shouts "I'm fake" and a bit stuck up)
- tomochin (ugly version of amuro namie and cannot even lip-sync)
- yuko (she acted competitive in taking up air-time in talks...don't know if it makes sense)
- sae (wtf is she hypered about?)
- haruna (fails at being airhead)

So I can definitely sympathize with 90% of what's been said. But quickly, I realise it's a tough job to be an idol, especially for AKB48, because you have to somehow act real but adopt a unique idol personality. Fans seem to expect so much more than just a "good, pure image". Having said that, the TV shows are still a good way to know about the members, in a way that I can see a lot of flaws in people I initially like a lot and qualities for people I hate in the first place.

Honestly, the following dislike points apply to ALL members:
--- they fake a lot. You can see reactions are not natural if it happens in real life. My oshi is Takamina, but I remember the part where she got pranked last year, she gave a lot of reactions/emotions about Sato's book which she claimed to have read... but the part was all made-up and you could see her good acting skills lol... there are countless other examples where you can see them fake their personalities, which I'm not going to list here
--- they could try harder at performing, and try less in other non-serious stuff/being funny/fan-servicing. Yes, idols aren't suppose to excel at singing, but coming from a theater-group, it's kind of disappointing that they mess up dances or don't even sing live in standing-only performances like the recent single...it also bothers me how some vocally stronger members think they are good singers, because in AKB, none of them can be called good in a pure pop-singer point of view. On the other hand, they get worked up in stuff like losing in obstacle races or basketball matches.

Before this becomes a list of what AKB48 as a whole can do better, let's get back to the point. The above two reasons (esp. the first point) seem to be the primary reasons why a certain member is being disliked. But the more I observe, the more I realize that they are just doing their jobs.

For example, for Kasai, in the recent AKBINGO episodes on the pranks and the palm reading, you can really see her struggle. The image she tries to cultivate is that of a cute, sexy and aloof character, but in fact she's quite daring and emotionally attached to people around her, and she's really trying hard to find her place in this industry. It's kind of like the revelation people get from Tomochin in the 2010 elections.

Or for Yuko--she's definitely trying hard in a level not as obvious as the Sayaka/Takamina type. For her, I get the feeling that she takes "being popular" as part of a job as an idol, and that's why---I will try my best to be popular, therefore I will do whatever I think fans want to see me do/say. This is hard to pinpoint with one example, but it's definitely a very respectable sense of commitment, given that her dream is to be an actress, and she really didn't have to dominate in singing/variety (if you compare this with Acchan, a fellow aspiring actress, you can see the difference in how they "try hard").

So really that's how I ended up not hating anyone in the end, since who doesn't fake or f up once in a while? And who would've gotten to the place they are right now by being selfish/diva like, and without trying hard?

I know this kind of defeats the purpose of this whole thread, and again, I'm not trying to change any opinions here. But see if you can give them a second chance, or look at their actions that bug you from another perspective and judge again.



Nonetheless, please continue to criticize the girls, because no one is perfect and a healthy fandom should learn to take their idol's flaws and accept them as part of the growth process. After all, that's what I found getting into AKB interesting.

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

I could say exactly the same thing exchanging the two girls, lol. I like Harugon, but I think she's MUCH more noisy than Sae. She might not yell but her voice can be really annoying too XDDD Sae is loved by everyone too, and while Haruka is 100% the "abarenbou" character (you know, a cute version of Dennis the menace or something like that XD) Sae also has a cool, sexy side, and everyone relies on her cause she's pretty strong and mature despite her looks, while Harugon is the "please take care of me" kind of character in this respect.
Again, I like Haruka. XD I don't want to pass for an hater ^^

 

Re: [DISCUSSION] why wont you like my oshi!? EXPLAIN IT TO M

Taking like/dislike aside, I think Sae's voice is just born like that. Yeah, sometimes she's louder than everyone, but I feel like even if she wanted to whisper, her voice would render everything else bkground noise. So personally I can see why people don't like that "genkiness" but also, I feel like it's not her fault.

 

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You know, after Not Yet I respect Yuko a lot more than I did before (which was obv a lot since I've been fangirling over her since 2006 xD) Her dream is being an actress, yet she's doing her best in being a good idol, singing dancing and doing what's required of her in that aspect. I admire that.

Anyway, about AKB girls not doing well in performances (dancing, singing etc) I feel like the variety work they do is definitely taking its toll in a way. It was said in the documentary, the girls barely have time to rehearse anymore, they had like a week to learn the new stages, they just basically have no time, because they are always overbooked x_x

EDIT: Not to say that their variety work is bad, but it just stresses even more the fact that they are purely and simply idols. Singing and dancing is part of their work, but ironically, their other activities are equally as important so...