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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Kinoshinta » Apr 09, 2012 (09:50)

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- Spoliers for the show so I'll just put this chunk in a tag -

As Jurina started narrowing down the actual culprit to the murder you kinda start to realize that besides finding out the actual murderer, she has every event prior to the murder down to every detail. Scarily enough that it causes the actual murder and accomplice to cry/become uncomfortable just being in the same room.

But even despite finding out the truth, the fact that she came up with all of the previous atrocities cancels out everything she says because no one believes her. And all that causes her to lose control of her powers is simply Rena scolding her.

Now this is when you start to feel bad for her. She begins to question her powers and reality itself as her "Mousou" goes haywire creating the number of the possible realities and twisting her little puppet thingy into something completely dark. Then she goes even as far as having a imagined Rena attempt in convincing her to give up the one thing no person should throw away. Her 'Mousou' otherwise known as one of the greatest gifts that humans have: an imagination.

She convinces herself otherwise and we're snapped back into another reality. Which turns out that the entire mystery is just a show that SKE48 is filming. We see the "real" Jurina tap into her Mousou one final time for Rena while again showing everything to the finest detail. This time she's complimented for her powers and we see a satisfied Mousou Deka.

The they throw that last little wrench at you questioning whether this is reality or not. A total mind screw >.>;


I hope that made some sense. So shoot me, I wrote a psychology paper based of the show doing acharacter analysis on Jurina.


I disagree quite a bit as to what was real.

I interpret the entire program as a look into the unhinged mind of Matsui Jurina, a fanciful girl who uses being completely untethered from reality to hide her own deep emotional traumas. The first three quarters of the show is completely different from the last part. The first part is the secure fantasy world Jurina has created for herself and none of it is real. The reactions of everyone to her antics is completely unreal.

Then suddenly, they tell her how aweful she is for outing Kumi. Realistically, this would have happened much earlier, but this is her fantasy world and reality is starting to bleed in. Then she remembers the trauma is really hers, someone close to her has died. Then she confronts the trauma of being horrible to other children with the Rena visions before letting more reality slip in. Jurina is a fantastical child that works for SKE48 and her fantasy world was really a drama they were filming.

But even the drama was a fantasy. Jurina's mind is too fractured to know reality from fantasy and again she fantasizes about the mundane story of finding the phone. But even this small bit of usefulness is a fantasy, because Jurina is really just a crazy troubled kid looking for attention, hurting everyone around her, and retreating into her fantasy world where the harm she causes is accepted with gratitude by those around her.

But in the end, Jurina's grip on reality is so tenuous, that we have yet another reveal that she does not know what is real and what is not. It all has this strange happy spin in the end because Jurina is completely unhinged and is moving further away from reality because she believes it is all fun and games with SKE48.

The ultimate reality is much more likely a sad teenage girl in a straightjacket locked in a mental institution rambling about solving a murder using her 'mousou'. This girl's mother was stabbed at a remote hotel, and she hurt people with her fantasies as a small child. The trauma of the murder caused a psychotic break and she lives in the land of mousou in her head with that thing he mom made for her, Moirin.


But the show is so strange, I think it is open to many interpretations.


Indeed it is. I suppose I chose to look at it at a bit more of a positive light because I did consider using the reality in which
Kuwabara was her mother and the reality where she murders her
. Then again I tend to lean towards the good side of things anyway.

After turning in said paper I was actually asked by my teacher to lead the class discussions for that week simply hearing other interpretations of the character and even showed off the last couple episodes since they were so short. I even converted a few people into SKE fans all in one shot too.

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It's because we're not busy watching her in media and stuff :p

Jk lol who knows. I never really decided on a SKE oshi until recently when I got myself more into the group. I watched Mousou Deka purely because it was available to watch and I was bored one day.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby ryandtw » Apr 09, 2012 (18:24)

I just came back from Cabo, Mexico, but during my trip I heard about that news of Juritan's illness... That sure was quite bad, but hopefully she gets well soon...
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby southsideirish » Apr 09, 2012 (18:25)

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Kuimin? No. Rena? I think so, at least for me she would. To me they are a matched set. I wouldn't mind seeing both Matsui's go to K. That is something I would love to see.


I mean only Rena goes to Team K, not Jurina. That way Jurina won't be overworked, and Rena might fit in with AKB more, a la Gekikara.


Jurina has to go to Tokyo, cause she is going to high school there. So, send Rena there too, to keep here company. If you leave Jurina in Nagoya then she is making 5 roundtrips a week to Tokyo. That would kill her.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby ryandtw » Apr 09, 2012 (19:07)

southsideirish wrote:
Torigoya-San wrote:
I mean only Rena goes to Team K, not Jurina. That way Jurina won't be overworked, and Rena might fit in with AKB more, a la Gekikara.


Jurina has to go to Tokyo, cause she is going to high school there. So, send Rena there too, to keep here company. If you leave Jurina in Nagoya then she is making 5 roundtrips a week to Tokyo. That would kill her.


Hmm... I did not know why she was in AKB48 - maybe because of the high school in Tokyo and trying to fill out (AKB48's) holes that were opened up over the past month or two...
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby rehikari » Apr 09, 2012 (21:57)

I just extended the deadline for the Jurina International Fans Support Project until Thursday. If you haven't submitted a photo yet, please do so \o/

http://rehikari.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/update-extending-the-deadline-for-the-matsui-jurina-international-fans-support-project/
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby mrtne7 » Apr 10, 2012 (01:19)

I don't know if anyone would be interested, but here is the link.

My collection of Jurina's photos (over one thousand pic and near 500 MB now):

magazine collection:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111756060812141174957/MagazineSke48JurinaMatsui?noredirect=1


all 7 albums:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111756060812141174957
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Torigoya-San » Apr 10, 2012 (10:18)

southsideirish wrote:
Torigoya-San wrote:
I mean only Rena goes to Team K, not Jurina. That way Jurina won't be overworked, and Rena might fit in with AKB more, a la Gekikara.


Jurina has to go to Tokyo, cause she is going to high school there. So, send Rena there too, to keep here company. If you leave Jurina in Nagoya then she is making 5 roundtrips a week to Tokyo. That would kill her.


Jurina has probably rented or bought an apartment in Tokyo and will probably stay there during weekdays. So it won't matter to her about going to high school there. The only problem would be travelling frequently back to Nagoya for SKE activities.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby renx2 » Apr 10, 2012 (11:00)

That's quite a collection of pictures, mrtne7. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby mieniem » Apr 10, 2012 (11:06)

southsideirish wrote:
Torigoya-San wrote:
I mean only Rena goes to Team K, not Jurina. That way Jurina won't be overworked, and Rena might fit in with AKB more, a la Gekikara.


Jurina has to go to Tokyo, cause she is going to high school there. So, send Rena there too, to keep here company. If you leave Jurina in Nagoya then she is making 5 roundtrips a week to Tokyo. That would kill her.

Is that really true, cause i heard people making that assumption when it was announced that Jurina was going to be a part of team k, but i don't remember hearing any news of her actually or announcing it.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Sammy48 » Apr 10, 2012 (11:31)

I really have no idea what they are trying to do. She works hard as it is already. And now back and forth from Nagoya to Tokyo. *sigh*

mrtne7 wrote:I don't know if anyone would be interested, but here is the link.

My collection of Jurina's photos (over one thousand pic and near 500 MB now):

magazine collection:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111756060812141174957/MagazineSke48JurinaMatsui?noredirect=1


all 7 albums:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111756060812141174957


And oh my this is amazing. <3 Thanks!
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby kokiburi » Apr 10, 2012 (11:35)

mieniem wrote:Is that really true, cause i heard people making that assumption when it was announced that Jurina was going to be a part of team k, but i don't remember hearing any news of her actually or announcing it.


Only a rumors so far. Though chances are quite high she enters Horikoji, which has special course for talents, as well as high level sport program. Quite a lot of young artists enter there. Notably Mizuki Nana went to study there and from what I've read on 2ch, one of Momoclo member studies there too.
But until she or the management says anything, it's pure speculations.

Also, Jurina Q/A from Duet magazine.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby mrtne7 » Apr 12, 2012 (00:47)

黑板第三夜—松井珠理奈CUT (Blackboard- Jurina cut with Chinese sub)

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/j13X7s-rwzQ
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Rurei » Apr 12, 2012 (12:39)

Jurina is finally discharged from hospital! [party]
Now we should wait for 100% recovery [party]

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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Sammy48 » Apr 12, 2012 (13:50)

Good to know both her and Haruu has been discharged. Feel relieved now [:D]
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Torigoya-San » Apr 12, 2012 (14:57)

Do you think Jurina would be better off in Team B ? Team K seems to be more for the fit members and could be more strenuous. Maybe Aki-P could temporarily transfer a Team B member such as Kasai to Team K to make up for the shortfall, and then send Jurina to Team B to take her place. I feel that Jurina would be better friends with Mayuyu and Yuki [wonder]
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Sammy48 » Apr 12, 2012 (15:09)

Torigoya-San wrote:Do you think Jurina would be better off in Team B ? Team K seems to be more for the fit members and could be more strenuous. Maybe Aki-P could temporarily transfer a Team B member such as Kasai to Team K to make up for the shortfall, and then send Jurina to Team B to take her place. I feel that Jurina would be better friends with Mayuyu and Yuki [wonder]


The thing is, it doesn't matter whichever Team she is in, Jurina likes to over do wherever she is because her passion to do her job is so ridiculously high. Team K, Team B doesn't matter. She'll work hard in both either ways. Just hope she doesn't over do it this time. <3
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Torigoya-San » Apr 12, 2012 (15:56)

Jurina seems to be rather mature for her age. I doubt I was that mature at that age. For that, I really look up to her, despite being older than her. Well, I guess girls normally DO mature faster than boys [:)]
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby Whassup » Apr 12, 2012 (17:15)

Jurina's a strong girl, but as she herself said, she gets spoiled when shes around the older members. But I must say even though she's a few months younger than me, her mentality is close to that of my dad. Though she still kind of 無鉄砲 (reckless), as seen from her insisting on performing even though she is obviously fatigued.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby renx2 » Apr 12, 2012 (18:59)

I. am. so. relieved!! That she is out of the hospital, that is.

Jurina fits Team K more, with the energetic style. She respects Sayaka and Yuko a lot, so she might actually listen to them. Aki-P probably also wants Jurina to learn from these leaders, and perhaps even develop Jurina to be a viable front member in AKB (center? [wonder]).
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby HoneyRoastedPeanuts » Apr 13, 2012 (04:52)

Aah, that is good news indeed. I sent her a letter last week already. With a little bit of luck she might give it a read.

Looks like she will be performing at Gaishi Hall. I bet she'll want to say goodbye to Haachan.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby renx2 » Apr 13, 2012 (06:01)

She is performing at Gaishi Hall? Is that confirmed? I thought she was discharged from the hospital but is not fully recovered yet, so wouldn't be performing. I thought at most she would be there to say a few things.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby rehikari » Apr 13, 2012 (09:55)

I also figured the reason she got discharged right on the day SKE were having their lessons is probably because she wants to participate on Gaishi after all... Still, I hope it'll only be for a couple of songs at most (maybe like for the new song, and something like Nakama no Uta, and that's it) because otherwise... it'll be obvious that no one's learned any lesson after all =/

Ah, I say we're in for an interesting ride this weekend.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby kokiburi » Apr 13, 2012 (10:41)

renx2 wrote:Aki-P probably also wants Jurina to learn from these leaders, and perhaps even develop Jurina to be a viable front member in AKB (center? [wonder]).


And who is going to lead SKE then? Not an AKB fan but in such an important group isn't there a single girl better fit to take center? Anyway, that better not happen. Best way to kill the competition between the groups and make disappear a good share of the fun I've had so far.


rehikari wrote:I also figured the reason she got discharged right on the day SKE were having their lessons is probably because she wants to participate on Gaishi after all...


And yet yesterday she had a photo shooting. Not sure she took part in much of the rehearsal ^^'. So one or two songs that will probably be, like you said. Though it doesn't prevent her to be there for MC and announcements, fans will understand if she doesn't perform much anyway, so I hope she doesn't push herself too much.

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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby rehikari » Apr 13, 2012 (10:48)

Actually the picture from her mobame yesterday is old lol I noticed earlier today, it's an outfit we've seen already XD Really couldn't be that she had a photoshoot already yesterday ^^; But I wouldn't be surprised if she joined in their rehearsals today. Just, yeah, better not be for more than a couple of songs.
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Re: Matsui Jurina / Team S

Postby kokiburi » Apr 13, 2012 (11:05)

Was it? The ameblo and keitai site pic were taken at the same time, maybe she kept them for the occasion then ^^'. Alright, makes sense that she didn't jump right away into shooting (would make more sense if she tried to catch up with school already :^^;: ).
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