https://www.bilibili.com/video/av40650856/?redirectFrom=h5 gekidan hitori talks to editor of shukan spa! magazine, about how bunshun collects their information. - bunshun sends 1 reporter (paparazzi) per member - that's a whole lot of man power, so they recruit university students who are actually fans and accept the jobs even the pay is super low - if something appears to be fishy they place a bicycle nearby, mounted with a pinhole camera
yes they have a lot of interactions..but do you look at the timeline that u posted? Maho said the timeline is about one month..so in this case all the "evidence" that you post became invalid..sigh..i really symphatized with the innocent girls, but whats wrong is wrong..48 group really should revise everything from the core back tbh..
Rka: I agree on that... but then, a member giving out the address is a bit far fetch, since all would have been drummed into them never to give it out. BTW... if you tail someone you can find out the address even if they refuse in the first place. Takes time, but not impossible.
I wonder what would be the next step in addressing these issues? It seems management wants to just wait things out (e.g. starting slowly allowing members to use SNS again, maybe testing the waters) - maybe that will work in the long run. Maybe everything will just fade back to normal for NGT, but I doubt it, at least this year. There are still plenty of opportunities for upset fans to make their unhappiness known (e.g. CD sales, votes, merch, mobane subs, scaring off sponsors, etc.). I think the person best suited to wind things down now is Maho herself - she bravely started the public part of this firestorm, and she could (probably) mostly end it. If management was actually brave enough to let her do it. If management is telling the truth, and Maho believes them, she could come out and say she's satisfied with the resolution and that she wants to move forward with the current members. They don't have to be friends, and she's not going to be magically back to how she was before, but everyone could move forward together. She thanks her supporters and asks them to stand down - most probably will if it really seems like a sincere statement. Oh course the problem with that is (it feels like) the previous management sent her out on stage to parrot the party line once, and so even an honest statement from Maho might well be met with more incredulity. This is all managements fault - they've been steadily digging themselves into a hole here. Maybe the new manager and sponsor wariness (and additional ongoing bad press that generates) will make them act better...
The NGT brand is gone, tarnished forever. Sales & sponsors will definitely be affected. Call me selfish but I want Hinatan out of there and yeah the rest of the innocent girls but sadly, it seems like management is gonna wait out everything and continue with the group so now every single member will tank with NGT.
I've come across an article on Livedoor about an actress called Nakae Yuri who has spoken out on a Fuji TV show about the incident: http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/15873801/ I think she talked about how she feels the investigation should now proceed including appointing a third-party committee to look into it?
Management thinks it’s better to not disclose the involved member but letting fans speculate and conspire is only making the matter worse. Many members would be affected and also severe the trust of the fans. They should just go ahead and announce her name, demote or drop her and that’s the only way that can help the situation
I guess that the "length" of the bullying is a conversation you could have, if you are so inclined to have it. I am more interested in the apparent bullying displayed and the actual people involved in the assault according to Mahohon's testimony. That is the thing. If we see all the troubles that protecting those involved in the assault is causing management, then we ask ourselves, why not expose their names and be done with it? And here we can only wonder and hypothesize: what is so important and worth protecting about what happened according to management that it is better to conceal the truth and fuel the wildest and ugliest speculations? And thus we fuel the wildest and ugliest speculations.
aren’t we at a point now where if they end up revealing the members’ names it’s only gonna make NGT look worse bc then every media outlet all over the world will report that AKS willingly withheld the names for so long and made Maho apologize in the mean time. They should DEFINITELY reveal the members’ names but I just don’t know if that is necessarily “better” than letting fans just speculate and witch hunt. It would be a fucking PR nightmare for them in that regard too. But honestly, AKS deserves all the bad publicity and loss of business they are getting.
Nakai Rika when asked about what happened: "I want to believe ALL the members" https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1084731205356908546/pu/vid/640x360/dm-Fc7q9vlx-9zwt.mp4
I agree that management should have at least one more reveal of transparency about what has happened, and it must include naming the responsible members. It is dragging the innocent members down. Our suspicions will eventually be confirmed or unconfirmed anyway, if Maho stays, by observing Maho's interactions with other members. Management doesn't gain anything by waiting - but I only hope they realise it sooner rather than later.
The longer the management waits, the worse it will be for them and the girls. Now, it's simply a public trial and once opinion sets in, it's difficult to convince public about changing opinion. Since it's been so long, it's a lose-lose situation already. The new management has to clean up the sh*t left by the old management, and it's going to be tough and really nasty. That's why we should clean up festering wounds and not leaving them to be.. Honestly I am surprised NGT48's PR team is so naive and inexperienced. Slow response and inaction coupled with half-baked attempts which anyone could see through their tricks!
That's not how I read the original tweet. Rather, she is upset that not joining the dating-while-idol party failed to keep her from being a target. That these members' relationships with fans have compromised her own safety and that of other girls who avoid such relationships. Not that avoiding relationships made them a target, but that it should have been a shield for them but because of these other members loose tongues it wasn't. Maybe there is a small amount of ambiguity in that specific tweet but the cause and effect you and others are reading into it (i.e. she was attacked because she kept herself pure) doesn't appear in any of her other statements, including the next one you quote. She only knows this via the testimony of her attackers (also per her own account). She may be 100% truthful and the information itself still be false. This is part of her account, yes. This is a forum (and 2ch etc.) community invention. It is not actually there in her tweets or her Showroom. Because a) you don't believe she was assaulted or that it was that bad, and b) one of the assaulters was her boyfriend and he'd been locked up for three weeks. That one tweet with Maho and Ayakani from October doesn't prove they were the bestest pals at the time, but if you go back further it's clear they were friends long ago but something drove a wedge between them. It's not really hard to identify the most likely culprit. If Maho is as opposed to idol relationships in private as she has been in public, then Ayakani's dating would put a severe strain on their friendship--even without any bullying. And again, she herself doesn't specifically identify bullying as an issue. That is something people have read into the situation based on Rika and iirc Miyajima Aya's cases, as well as anonymous reports on 2ch and elsewhere. It is not the length of the bullying which is important but its start date. If the bullying began after the assault then it was not the cause of the assault, as some have decided was the case.
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and its funny that everyone realize this except NGT management themselves..This just proves how much they take fans as fools.. same goes to that "one/two" member involved too..if only they know they only making fools of theirselves..but if this case is not cleared up/no responsible action taken(and they still keep imamura), not only NGT is affected, the whole 48 group name is tarnished actually.. Again on the members bullying is true or not..im actually not surprised at all even it is true..members spoiled/bad behavior like this is not the 1st time heard of..in fact, most of the members even the less popular one apparently has "star-struck" syndrome... i remember reading someone story about HKT that they pretty much leaves all their luggage n baggage to a staff to the point there's not enough hand for the manager..and the only person who help the manager is Tani Marika if im not mistaken..plus even among their make-up artist or stylist, a lot of story actually..but..well..i just hope mahohon and the rest innocent member the best..please world, show this once that justice will prevail..not dirty money..
It would be weird that Maho is lying when she said that members are involved in her assault because at the same time, she's doing everything to protect the group and the team so by saying this she put the group in danger, so its a risky statement unless she is 100% certain that some members are somewhat involved in the assault. But she could also just have heard it and not witness it directly...
Let us remember some of the tweets that Mahohon did, translation courtesy of Cisalpine88: From Mahohon's twitter: Last month, after the end of a theater show, I was assaulted by two men while on my way home. A certain member informed them about what time we would return back home from theater shows, one more member also informed them about my house address and apartment number. Yet another certain member also incited the perpetrators to go to where my home was. Is it really necessary for members who are in a relationship with fans to have your private information leaked and be assaulted by others if you aren't in a relationship with fans yourself? http://stage48.net/forum/index.php?attachments/maho05-png.215300/ Is there anything wrong with not getting in any love affair, and doing your idol work with diligence? Is there anything wrong with wanting not to have a relationship with fans? Why wanting to honor the rules means I would have to go on to experience such dreadful situations, in this group? Why is it such a group where you cannot protect girls who go about their jobs diligently? Is it right for people to betray so many fans behind their back and being in a relationship with others? I can't understand how this can be allowed. http://stage48.net/forum/index.php?attachments/maho06-png.215301/ Mahohon questions her position in NGT as someone who refuses to get into relationships while being an idol, as if not joining the dating-while-idol party resulted in her being a target. There are members here who were involved in the assault according to Mahohon. The only way you can affirm the contrary is by saying that Mahohon lied or is mistaken with what she wrote in her tweets and in that honest video she posted in showroom. Do you think that is the case, she is lying or mistaken? The community has been trying to find who were those members Mahohon has been referring to, and that is why all the things that have been taken into consideration in here and in Japanese media have led to point to those members. The consideration that there were members sharing private information and being involved with those individuals and that were hostile to Mahohon is not a forum community invention but the discussion created because of Mahohon's testimony. https://twitter.com/rikoriko_xo/status/1085295324040699906?s=19 [oversize image] Tano Ayaka & Inaoka Ryuunosuke (Inapooh) connection. Inapooh’s voice is behind the camera. Tano: “Do the thing you always do!” Inapooh: “Haha what do u mean? Do I always do something?” Tano: “Yeah, u know,the scream!” Inapooh: -screams- #JusticeForMahohon #山口真帆 #NGT48 https://t.co/ma0qjiUPI4 https://twitter.com/rikoriko_xo/status/1085397757983113216?s=19 https://twitter.com/samurai_46/status/1084137738557767680?s=19 Fans speculate that Tano Ayaka and Yamada Noe know details about Manager Kitagawa's dismissal from #NGT48. In their joint Showroom live on Jan. 8, 2019 at 16:50 JST, they mentioned Ms. Kitagawa and then suddenly started talking about duct tape, as if the two are connected. https://t.co/AckrAK6SH3 https://twitter.com/qc_bb/status/1085775277932900352?s=19 Shuukan Bunshun is pushing an idea (relation chart in grey) that is contradictory. The sentences in black = Bunshun‘s version of events. Red = Contradictory, errors pointed out #JusticeForMahohon #山口真帆 #NGT48 #JusticeForMaho #YamaguchiMaho https://t.co/bPt9xgnr4B https://twitter.com/rikoriko_xo/status/1085961511779123202?s=19 For some reason, Bunshun is trying to run with a story "admitting" that the apartment on the other side belonged to Ayakani but she had moved out one year and a half ago already (and Mahohon wasn't aware of it yet?) and her involvement was all a big misunderstanding. https://t.co/wfaMeQKonJ https://twitter.com/speranzom/status/1085942527646158848?s=19 Proof that Inaoka Ryuunosuke (inapooh) is connected with Bunshun? They had a man on their live called Bunshun’s disciple “Haru” - is this Inaoka? The shape of his ear,voice, accent & way of talking is the same..? #JusticeforMahohon #JusticeForMaho #NGT48 #山口真帆 https://t.co/P0mN8LI9vo https://twitter.com/rikoriko_xo/status/1086629289703997441?s=19 Today, Inaoka Ryuunosuke used a tool to delete all of his past tweets. He had tweeted more than 143,000 times on his infamous account, which is linked to possible assailants of Yamaguchi Maho. #NGT48 #山口真帆 #JusticeForMahohon #いなぷぅ https://t.co/E2Mp9m4Mh7 https://twitter.com/speranzom/status/1086573605931155456?s=19 leader of Team G, (Hinata Honma), is thought to have written this entry for NGT website. Vertically, it can be read “チがう、うそっ“ “That’s not true, it’s lies.” - is she pointing us in a direction that’s saying Bunshun/the cover ups are lies? #JusticeForMahohon #山口真帆 https://t.co/L2Lw6S3YwA https://twitter.com/rikoriko_xo/status/1086582569326518273?s=19 if the video does not show watch the video here if the video does not show watch the video here Timeline of events surrounding the duct tape livestream by Tano Ayaka and Yamada Noe. Translated from/original: https://t.co/iJT1yGdCx0 #JusticeforMahohon #JusticeForMaho #NGT48 #山口真帆 #山口真帆さんを助けたい #太野彩香 #山田野絵 #ガムテープ https://t.co/YkG8VJuyhc https://twitter.com/rikoriko_xo/status/1087222981053562880?s=19 [oversize image] Sept 2018, Tano Ayaka tweets she’s on her way home via vehicle w Maho, +other members from outside Niigata. This could disprove Bunshun and Management’s ver of events that Ayaka moved 1.5 yrs before the incident. #JusticeForMahohon #JusticeForMaho #山口真帆 #太野彩香 #NGT48 https://t.co/FJ6319P2kU https://twitter.com/rikoriko_xo/status/1089401611007508482?s=19
In that case, if Maho decides to stay, I think I'll continue to support NGT and all its members, excluding Ayaka and Gatanee. If she leaves now and management continues protecting those responsible, I don't know what I'd do. Probably management will do almost anything to get her to stay right now. It would be a PR disaster if she left.
