Miyawaki Sakura (Sakura) / 1st Generation

Because the supposed absolutly right facts are nothing but preconcieved idea, so the said people answered with much more stereotypes, and look! you disaprove !! How weird is that !!!
Why is there such a large disaproval over yours ?

FYI if she did bikini gravures, it was all because she agreed to, nobody ever forced her to do so. unless you can prove that.
And still FYI, lots of member at some point stopped completly doing that type of gravure work. To name one big name in the current HKT48 line-up : Miku
Some top members never did (Yuiyui), and some will never.
and finally, gravure work, doesn't implie swimsuits.
It's like saying english dishes are all made in jelly, it is absolutly false.

100% valid and yes as grotesque as your previous stupidly dumb statement.

So you may want to educate more yourself, before throwing dirt.

oh and such statement coming from someone whose oshimen is Shiraishi Mai, is hypocrisy at it's best.

 

Please just take a look at your profile picture lmao how is that not oversexualised

 

Why are you guys even fighting? Both kpop and jpop are targeted for different publics... jpop is more male liked (don’t lie and tell me is not true when most AKb fans are male) meanwhile kpop is more girl liked (also do not lie we all know it’s mostly girls)

and they’re also very different from genres to distribution, with kpop is easier to open to new markets and countries meanwhile jpop is more closed and difficult for foreigners to get into because of this

 

I don't think they are free to graduate whenever they want, these idols still need to discuss everything with management before announcing their graduation especially for regular senbatsu level member to settle everything from their ongoing contract with AKS (or whatever its name right now) and any brand deal/outside agency that said member involved, whether that group member need last farewell single/graduation concert, etc. Even then management might drag the graduation for months even for a year (like with Takamina) and participate in every possible event management make before they're letting them go. If the graduating member is a no name theater girl, then of course they are easier to let go because they are easier to replaced. The same thing can be said in Korea (or the rest of the world), if the artist feels like the agency didn't promote them well or do not carry out the agreement in the contract properly, they can ask for termination of their contract. Now whether it's easier or harder to leave, it depends on the company (if its a good & respectable company that won't drag everything out) and the content of the contract they signed.

Not really, there are tons of idol that pursuing other job opportunities like acting, modelling, MC-ing etc while they are still in an active group like for example in acting: Rowoon & Chani (SF9), Cha Eun Woo (ASTRO) & Jung Eunji (APink), modelling: each BLACKPINK members literally a brand ambassador for 4 different brands, MC-ing: IZ*ONE Minju & Yujin etc.

I don't think so, it's a "comeback" for their Music. Kpop promotion period actually a lot longer compare to Jpop, like IZ'ONE for example: they're promoting their new songs for at least 3 weeks and each week they appear in 3/4 different music show, compare to AKB that promote their song for maybe a week or two and performed it for 2 or 3 times then they're done. Even worse for sister group like HKT48's 3-2, the girls basically performed the song live once months after its released. IZ*ONE is stilll pretty active once promotion period ends with shows like IZONE chu & IZONE Eating Trip, some members also have individual jobs like photoshoot, guesting in variety shows (especially Yena), MC (Yujin & Minju) and then there's Pepsi partnership right before their disbandment. Kpop group does performing on TV outside their promotion period too for like Special Stages, they also performed at Festivals and have an online concert (offline concert too if this Covid situation get better). Idol group promotion in Japan & Korea is not that different, it all depends on the Company whether they want to promote the group/the member or not. I mean even Rocket Punch releasing more songs in 2020 & 2021 compare to AKB48 right now and Woolim ent in Korea is nowhere near as big as AKS in Japan.

 

I'm no K-pop fan but idol companies do the same thing to their idols as well.

Its not.

 

Are you sure about that...


Maybe it's a bit more balanced in Kpop, but Girl groups still have mostly male fans.


Men tend to like girl groups and women tend to like boy groups. //shrug//

I can imagine Sakura liked seeing more girls in the audience. AKB48 has a very massive majority of male fans, so even if it's +60% male and +30% female fans, that would be an increase of what she was used to in HKT48. In comparison it looks like women like K-Pop more, but it still depends more so on the sex of the idol and less on the genre.

 

It depends, cute groups like Lovelyz, Gfriend and all those tend to have more male fans and not a lot of fan girls, meanwhile others like Blackpink, Red Velvet, Mamamoo have a lot more female fans

Twice used to have a very large majority of male stans until later, now its like 60-40%

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Sakura's Rush to Leave HKT Has:
-Made the group's latest single an afterthought.
-Made it so Madoka doesn't get her well deserved time in the spotlight as a graduating member who'd announced before Sakura and waited patiently for her last hurrah.
-Reduced her thread here to a K-pop vs J-pop cesspool.
-Resulted in Sakura burning all her good will with the public in the country she was born.
-Brought out the ugliness in Americans/Brazilians/Hispanics/Koreans/Japanese/Etc on the YouTube videos of her graduation announcement (Translating the comments in languages other than English has been a hell of a ride).

At this point I'm in the realm of wanting her gone already so everything and everyone can just move on because she's honestly more trouble than she's worth. And whatever stardust from her limelight as a K-pop star that her K-pop stans keep bragging about her showering upon HKT by coming back for these few months, I don't see it. Nothing is actually about HKT. Everything grinded to halt and became unfairly about her just because she couldn't wait.

 

Sakura's graduation concert ~ Bouquet~ will be held at Fukuoka Marine Messe Hall.
Here is the official news:
https://twitter.com/hkt48_official_/status/1394843563423191041
And there is a special website
https://miyawaki-sakura-hkt48.jp/

 

And yeah. You again. You did ban me for invalid reason. Wait, what is the reason again? I forgot. Lol. you said i accused people? I never say kpop is conservative though. I am saying bout underage girl posing in bikini for horny men. Dont tell me you never knew? Owh wait, im pretty sure you are not new into idol scenes, so you know better. You should ban people who put pictures of underage age girl in bikini, posing like soft porn actress rather than ban me who did nothing wrong. I wanna say something harsher but yeah, i like 48/46 girls, so i wont say further.

 

Well. I agree about the showering stardust part, since I don't see any merits in bringing K-Pop-Fans to the HKT fandom. Or other 'stardust' from that area, if there would have been any. And I can imagine the comments on youtube, even though I didn't translate them (I think, I'm glad about that now ûu).
Especially your two first points are a little unfair, though. It's not like the announcement was planned to be made on exactly that day in order to overshadow the single as well as Madoka's graduation. Yes, it happenend nervertheless, but still it's like wanting her gone for something she couldn't do much about, and it's not her impatience but a magazine promo, which made it happen, right? I'm not even sure at this point, if Sakura and Nako would have appeared on that stage that day, if there wouldn't have been this leak before. Even that felt rushed and out of place, as those two have nothing to do with the single promotion. ^^°

Yet, I'm curious for her future plans and I hope that she will announce them soon, so all this weird speculating just stops (I mean ... polish skills rather than the body? Really? Did I miss the cultural reset in which Korea stopped being the country of beauty products and plastic surgeries? Or the point of Sakura having lots of vocal lessons so that she can actually sing without a shaky voice? Because HKT had them for their special stages during lockdown last year, some of them have become gorgeous at singing live and it has shown during the Karaoke segment, in which Sakura was .. erm .. not thaaat good. I still love her, btw. I just wished, Iz*One would have had some proper lessons like HKT had them )

 

Visual booklet making

if the video does not show watch the video here

 

Her graduation has obviously been rushed, but the graduation goods, the site, sns updates, and the concert booking have been excellent so far.

 

There's the door! Don't let it hit you on the way out!

 

And HKT48's shop is down.
Oversarurated with connections
https://twitter.com/hkt48_official_/status/1394944043377823750

 

Did you meant to say Jpop IDOLS? Idols are just a subsection of Jpop, there is much more to Jpop than just idol groups. It doesn't make much sense to generalize Jpop because there is so much both in variety and in quantity. I remember back around the time of Produce48 so many people kept saying 'Jpop' or 'Japanese music industry' when actually they were just talking about Jpop idols, which was so annoying. Sometimes they even switched words in the middle of their sentence. And remember to specify 'female' idol groups too because hardly any guys are interested in male idol groups.

Companies are not stupid, they research their market then adapt their product according to what the market (ie. fans) wants. Plus they learn what sells and what doesn't sell from their previous products. Sexy outfits and dances continue to make fans hand over very large amounts of money, much more than "polished skill" does that's for sure.

 

I guarantee you this is not a good example of the point you're trying to make

 

It feels as if this thread became PD48 thread 2.0 lol.
Also, we should come up with a unit of measure, something like a richter scale, for determining the magnitude on which between the Kr and Jp Entertainment Industry sexualizes their idols more lol .

 

@Zerase - Real classy.

@wuerfel - I'd like to respond to at least one part of what you said because a lot of Sakura's fans (many of them ones who became her fan after Produce48 and while she was in Izone) seem to think Sakura is entirely innocent and did nothing wrong here. In regards to the leak this is one thing that Sakura could've responded to much better. Instead of confirming the leak when she did she could've told HKT's management to hold a press conference about it after Madoka had graduated so as not to take spotlight away from the single and Madoka's graduation. Then her pending graduation would've just been one of several hot topics concerning HKT48 rather than the hot topic concerning HKT48.

Even if the confirmation came the immediate morning after Madoka's graduation it'd still have been better and more appropriate than this and it is one of the things that Sakura does have power over in this equation. I mean what can management really have done, it's not like she's not going to leave in the end and people speculating about it longer would only have put more eyes on her group. It also falls under that thing called decorum that I dunno if it's something that changed in recent years, but last I checked it was important in Japan.

Also look at it another way, if Sakura can keep the fans guessing on whether she actually signed with Big Hit or not why couldn't she have kept them guessing on if/when she was graduating from HKT? Do you see why even if in actuality she hasn't done something wrong, morally speaking she comes off as having done something wrong?

The common response to her departure is "It's her life to live, her decision to make, we should be happy for her and supportive." but it being her life to live and her decision to make doesn't negate that she failed to keep the promises she made to people and asked those who'd supported her before she left for Korea the first time to wait for her for essentially nothing. She's not absolved from criticism just because it is her life to live and her decision to make.