Discussion in 'Team K' started by hanabi, Jun 4, 2007.
Actually YouTube shut down community contribution last week.
I know at this point we're all waiting for Miichan's concert and I can't help but wonder when that will be. NGL, when Miichan leaves I think my chapter with being an AKB fan may close (before the hate comments arrive let me say why).
Although Miichan wasn't my oshi, she did play a huge role in my akb48 fandom world. She was always unapologetically herself, and despite always yearning for the spotlight (aka the good ole days), her presence in akb is definitely eternal. I feel like from the 1st Gen, she's one of the few that gets forgotten (despite senbatsu status, but more from the perspective of kami 7). With her as the last 1st Gen member, I honestly thought she wasn't going to be the last one. But with how much she loves/loved akb, I can see why she yearned to stay a tad longer. I hope her graduation comes soon. Not because I want her gone, but I want her to fly with whatever endeavor she may decided to do post AKB.
Her contributions as captain, senpai, etc. has definitely made a huge impact within not just the group, but with fans worldwide. When I heard people wanting there to be a joint grad concert with other prominent 48group members, lowkey I hope that does not happen. This girl has always pushed forward, and with all the hard work she's done over the years, hoping management sees that and gives her the solo grad concert they initially gave her, and a grand one too. I know with the management struggling a bit (this is just based on my observation with the lack of concerts in comparison to their heyday), I really feel like with her being the last 1ki, she gets the grand hurrah she deserves. With her it really is a an end of another chapter w/n akb. After her, yeah yukirin is there, but truly AKB's playing field changes once again. With no more 1ki's I really hope management sees this as a new chance for akb to rise up again.
As for myself with being a part of the akb48 fandom since 2008/9, miichan's graduation will definitely change how I feel about the group. I love the new members, etc. but, for myself, she is the last member I was holding onto as a fan, and I think when she leaves, it would be time for me to let go of this beautiful part of my life and let newer fans embark on this journey, that is AKB. Will I ever come back to the fandom, I'm not sure, but definitely I will be supporting from afar.
I know i may sound like i'm outdated, but tbh I haven't caught up with akb as much since sasshi graduated. (not too long ago but still) So please educate me if it sounds like i'm still talking about akb as if we were still in early 2019.
PS: I know this was long, but had to get it off my chest. lol I've been watching a lot of miichan youtube videos, and it got me thinking and reflecting a lot.
I definitely get what you mean and I've thought about that myself. I started following the group in 2010/11 and Miichan has been my kami-oshi ever since. At the time I followed a lot more members besides her, but lately she's been the only reason I still keep up with AKB (even though not closely). I mainly keep up with releases and she is the only member I actually follow, truly. That's because all of my other oshis have graduated by now. Like yourself, it's not that I don't like the new generation, but for me it's just not the same. I think High Tension and Paruru's graduation was when I started drifting from the group (I'm not saying Paruru is old gen, but having received a push, she certainly was among members from the old gen for many singles).
All this to say that I perfectly understand what you're feeling! But I also know that I'll still stick around to check the group's releases, I just don't feel connected to any of the girls anymore.
I think I've gone on record with being really disappointed with that idea before ..... but to be honest ..... I will be so pissed of it that would happen ... I don't dislike Jurina ... but I do hate what I already know what will happen then ... Miichan playing second or third fiddle.
for once I want a concert where I don't have to look for her somewhere in the wings or in the third row
I want Miichan to have a festival like Nyan-nyan ... a big celebration of past en future AKB
Anyway ... I still think AKB will hold out till they can give a proper concert as that will be one of the last legitimate reasons to have all ... and I mean all 1st gens to appear .... and then some (meaning ... Yuko, Sasshii, maybe a three Musketeer reunion etc)
And I'm ok if Miichan wants to put the old Team 4 members in the spotlight ... but please not those who always have center positions
by the way ... during the year or so the prior to December last year Miichan was pretty much invisible in AKB, not being selected for senbatsu's and if she was ... maybe visible for a split second in the MV.
And after Bad Boys left she was iirc in just 4 episodes (the tow directly after Bad Boys graduation) and the final two episodes (which where pretty lackluster imho anyway)
and no longer being a captain didn't help her visibility neither
then after she announced graduation, she got the attention she deserved, was included in more TV appearances, centered some songs (and something even longer then 10 seconds )
was included in the single again ... got a fabulous graduation single
and then covid-19 happened .... and everything came to a grinding halt.
but Miichan did keep getting included in TV appearances and was rather prominent in the OUC48 and Social distancing single ...
so, I know it sounds really stupid ... but from that viewpoint she is having a good year.
She's building her YouTube channel (but ... suddenly everyone is :/) and seems to be pretty 'senang'
so .. there's that... when will the graduation concert be? ... I have no idea, I just hope for one with a real crowd, as the crowd is almost half the performance imho
It's one thing if she wants to also give the spotlight to certain members, but I truly want a concert where she can shine. I think she's more than earned that. It's kinda sad that she has been so ignored by the management during her years in AKB that even for a graduation concert we're praying that she actually gets attention because honestly there's no certainty whatsoever that she will. Obviously she never had a high position in Senbatsu, but she is one of the first gen, she's been here for longer than anyone, earned a spot in senbatsu plenty of times (even if a low one) and did an amazing job as captain. She's put so much effort in AKB, she deserves a proper goodbye.
Anyway, whatever happens, I'll support her.
Someone posted a spreadsheet recently .... it's 40 a-sides ... 40
And I also said before ... Miichan has imho not been mistreated by management, not even with her scandal, those 40 singles are proof of that.
Miichan was also a solid second tier member who also got more screen time than most of the girls that ranked above her in the SSK (apart from the Kami-7 of course) were getting
To be honest, I tend to focus on Miichan, and I tend to notice that certain members like Tomochin or Yukirin always got (a somewhat disproportionate amount of) screen time, but I tend to ignore that other member like Mariko and even Sasshii tend to get less screen time and even Takamina sometimes ended up in the second row.
But Miichan is featured in almost every documentary and always was prominent in AKBingo
Anyway I'm kinda sure management intends/intended her to have a good graduation concert, it's just that the pandemic changed everything
I don't really think she was mistreated by management, it's just always really hard to see her on performances, so I hope that doesn't happen during her graduation. I agree, I'm pretty sure her graduation concert was gonna be a good one
I posted a translation of Mii-chan letter to Kanabun on her seitansai in Kanabun thread.
Miichan starts to sound more and more like a mother, and maybe it's true she picked up a bit of that 6th sense about the well being of other members from Takamina
btw, Miichan mentioned on twitter she had a 3 hour teleconference ... so of course people are speculating about her graduation concert .... maybe the preparations have resumed
I'm still hoping for a large venue with a reasonable (and loud) crowd .... but I also think it's still too early for that, but we only can wait
Another sunday .... another YT video
initially you might think she's going for a Donald Trump impression .... ..... but I guess she going for that ギャル look that went so horrible wrong together with Miki-chan (well, I thought it went wrong )
I just now looked at the thumbnail .... and ... well, I had to look for Miichan
I find those Tokyo girls who do their make-up like that genuinely terrifying.
it's, as is more often the case in fashion, an exaggeration of a certain image
it just read up on gyaru, kogal and enjo-kōsai on wikipedia (which is as usual full of preconceived notions about Japan)
As is almost to be expected AKB pops up with seifuku ga jama wo suru
to be honest ... that MV can hardly be seen as an endorsement of enjo-kōsai, they all look miserable
(and of course the other wiki fails to mention that, it just said it was controversial .... :/ )
it does feature Miichan quite prominently though
I just stumbled upon a compilation of all the solos No3b did in Snack kissa eden
I had seen Miichan's, but I never saw Nyan-Nyan's and Takamina's
edit: as usual I messed up how you do the plural of words like solo ...
Spoiler: spelling tangent
I once read a remark on YouTube saying that writing "video's" or "solo's" was just extremely stupid and nobody in the whole wide world did it like that.
Dutch people: hold my beer
plurals of loanwords ... we do with apostrophe s .... possessives however ... we don't
so "John's bicycle" = "Jans fiets" = "ジャン の自転車"
Her garyu make up video reached the news
Somehow ... I think the number of members who would have become a gyaru seems rather limited to me ... although I can think of a few
(not going to name names as people might take offence for sure )
But I don't expect Miichan to haven become one or a kogal for what it's worth
I do see how it can change your behaviour though ... in case of Miichan it probably brings out the old pre 2013 very loud and present Miichan
Dwango News has published an article about Miichan appearing on a recent Abema TV show with Paruru, the title of which seems to translate as 'Celebrity Superman No.1 Final Battle':
Miichan was involved in an eating game of spicy food and according to the article there was some senpai-kouhai banter between her and Paruru but I'm getting garbage from Google Translate. Anyhow I've found a video of the show here (credit to uploader):
I've only skipped through it quickly but it looks like the section of the show with Miichan starts at just after 62 minutes. (Much of the show seems to revolve around some men playing Jeux Sans Frontieres-type games in a swimming pool!)
DeepL gives me this about the exchange
Minegishi started off by saying "There's something that's been bothering me... I'm the last one term student of AKB48 and the 9th term student is sitting over there", she said, pointing to the seat for the respondents where Shimazaki, her junior, was sitting. Minegishi, his junior, said "Go for it, Minegishi! She smiled and gave a shout-out to the audience, but she revealed her frustration by saying, "Why are you calling me out?" which drew laughter from the studio. When the showdown started, Minegishi was in so much pain that she couldn't stop running nose and crying. Shimazaki gave a round of applause to Minegishi who lost despite her efforts.
From what I get from this is that Miichan complained why she should be eating spicy food in stead of Paruru
and when Paruru responded with "Go Minegishi" .... I guess Miichan got 'irate' because she failed to use the correct honorific
But it might also because Paruru didn't just use Miichan (which of course also has a sort of honorific)
I remember Sata doing the same when being addressed as just Sata on AKBingo as well
btw on the card Paruru wrote Minegshi-san ... while the other female panel member wrote 'minami-chan'
and Paruru and Miichan both looked cute
ow, btw the man on the right also choose Miichan (but I think he had trouble with the first kanji )
and from what I understand they choose her because she doesn't want to loose
Being sick Miki-chan, I wonder if Miichan is well.
nobody except for them knows if they met up recently
so far the number of contaminations in the AKB group is luckily still rather limited Shiichan, Murashige, Miki (although not strictly AKB) and one or two more but my memory fails me
btw ... Miichan had her radio show recording today with someone she claims she always 'unilaterally' liked ...
and now people are of course wondering who that is ...
article by Miichan, 7 things she's happy with since she stopped drinking alcohol
Spoiler: autotranslated text
Minegishi Minami: "I've been sober for more than 300 days, and I'm glad I started drinking - 7 things I'm glad I did
Minegishi Minami, the last member of AKB48, has been an idol for 14 years. Her graduation has been postponed due to the effects of the new model of corona, and she has debuted as a columnist in Kagayo Kagami! Looking back on her days as an idol, she says, "I've lived my life by being praised by others as my motivation," and faces her "homework.
Minegishi Minami's "If possible, I want to be praised again tomorrow.
Minegishi Minami's 'I'd like to be praised again tomorrow if I could'
Go to the list of articles in this series
Last December, after my graduation announcement, I decided to quit drinking and not to regret a single thing until the day of my graduation concert.
Lately, I've been asked in replies to my friends and on Twitter, "How can I stop drinking? But honestly, there's no easy way to quit, it just depends on your own will.
Click here for Minegishi's previous article: "Is it acceptable to have brown hair and love? The difference between Korean and Japanese idols in my opinion
Instead of being able to tell you how to get sober, I decided to write about it because I thought that if I tell you what I'm glad I've done to get sober, maybe it will lead to a stronger will in someone else's life. I'm not a drinker per se, I'm someone who drank to fill my loneliness, so there's a chance that this won't be helpful at all to those who love to drink: ...... 7 things I'm glad I did to stop drinking. Please stay with me until the end.
1) I lost weight.
This was the first happy change that happened when I started sobriety. When I was drinking, I would not eat breakfast or lunch, eat dinner, pick something up while drinking, stop at a convenience store on the way home and buy hot snacks, sweets, carbs, etc., and then fall asleep while eating because the previous day's alcohol and late night food was often still in my stomach. Then I regret it. I spent my days in an endless loop of this, so it was only natural. When I couldn't stand the food I bought at the convenience store near my house and ate it as I walked away, I blamed myself for being finished as an idol and as a person.
The black hole in my stomach when I'm drunk is a really scary thing. Even now, there are times when I eat too much, but it's much better and kinder mentally to have fun with friends and eat too much of the food you like than to get drunk and eat with a hazy memory. If you are going to eat, eat what you like and with whom you like.
(2) You can live a healthy life every day.
Do you all have one? I said something I didn't have to say in a drunken stupor. I acted in a way that I normally wouldn't: ...... What a thing to do. I have. By the way, I tend not to get to know people that deeply who answer no to this question. I feel that people who have a drinking mistake or two in their lives are somehow more trustworthy, but it's a different story if they repeat it over and over again. And there's nothing worse than "not remembering" when you've made someone feel uncomfortable. I can't stand the fear of what I've done when I don't remember and the guilt I feel when I've done it. I'm no longer the person I used to be when I would occasionally go home to my parents' house to cleanse my mind; I can't just say "I don't remember" when I'm over 25. I will protect my own mental stability.
(3) Relationships have been sorted out.
Since I started sobriety, my phone has definitely decreased in the number of times I've shaken my phone and, come to think of it, I've seen more than a few people I haven't seen lately. I felt a little lonely at first, but that's okay. As long as I had friends who would come over to my house with textured sweets and juice, that was all I needed. In my early twenties, I was happy to be invited to a drinking party. I feel sorry for myself because I was immature and didn't realize that I wasn't wanted and could easily be invited to join them. Now I know that being able to meet people without alcohol is many times more precious than that. I don't want any more friends I won't see at lunch...fall of 27.
(4) I get compliments from people.
It was my own fault for drinking so much to begin with, and of course people who have a clean palate are the greatest, but after 300 days of abstinence, people praise me for it. I've also been recognized as a stoic and a spirited person. I recommend it to people who want to gain the trust of others because they can wear an air of "someone who keeps to their decisions". (4) Through this, I became a good friend of my manager.
(5) I gained the ability to face myself.
Doesn't drinking sometimes go further when you're having a bad day, when you're worried, or when you're crumpled up than when you're having fun? I can temporarily forget the negative emotions, but I realize in the morning that I'm not doing anything about it. That you haven't done anything to resolve the root cause of the problem. I drink to counteract that despair again. Time has moved on, the seasons have changed, but I've been there, not growing in any way. I have long nights when I don't drink, but I use that time to watch some work and give input, prepare for work, and face myself as much as I hate it, and finally I feel like I'm finally catching up to where I am now, in 2020.
Alcohol doesn't pretend that my problems didn't exist, and my drinking buddies don't take responsibility for my life.
But I've had a lot of fun memories, too. I'm sure all the people I was drinking with at the time have settled in. Every day the summer didn't end as time and space were twisted. I have some reflections, but I don't think I needed them in my life. Thank you for making me the person I am today. Goodbye.
(6) I've learned to make the most of my day.
I am the type of person who usually falls asleep without removing my make-up, but when I drink too much, I fall asleep without removing my make-up more often. The day after such a day, I couldn't wake up in a flash from the indescribable discomfort of waking up, and I would repeatedly fall asleep twice and finally get out of bed in the evening. My own born discomfort would make me uncomfortable again. Maybe I'm a dominant .......
Once I got home, took a bath, and started to fall asleep with a refreshed face and body, I enjoyed the day that came my way. I don't wake up at the last minute so I don't have to rush to put on the clothes that have fallen around. I don't have to whip my heavy body to work. I don't have to wear makeup on my shiny skin and worry about edema. On your day off, you can pack your schedule in the morning and it's very fulfilling. A meaningful day is created from the night before.
most imortant bit IMHO
For me it's always hard to see why Miichan who seems to be so much fun and is so talented is so overly critical of herself
my apologies ... there was a second article which I have missed, gome nasai:
Minegishi Minami: "Is it acceptable to have brown hair and love? The difference between Korean and Japanese idols in my opinion
Spoiler: autotranslated text
Last time I wrote about NiziU, there was a part of the story that I cut because I felt like it was going to be a bit of a blur.
The story "I'm not jealous of BLACK PINK".
BLACK PINK's unbelievable style, overwhelming performance, beauty, and strength, combined with the strength of the strongest people in the world, and their music videos are always like a Hollywood movie. There is no room for jealousy by any stretch of the imagination.
This makes me wonder if people are creatures who aren't jealous of objects they can reach out to die for but can't seem to reach. It's like when your boyfriend says he likes a cute celebrity, you get annoyed, but when he says he likes Ryoko Yonekura, you can't say anything else.
But when someone says they like Ryoko Yonekura, they can't say anything else... I digress. Back to the topic at hand.
Korean idols wouldn't have the same reputation even if they didn't have a handshake, even if they were in love!
These idols are mainly active in Korea, including BLACK PINK, who are not even the target of that jealousy. To be honest, I'm not that familiar with the world of idols, so I'm just talking about their image, but even if they didn't hold handshake events, they have tons of fans all over the world, and I'm sure that their reputation would never be shaken, even if they were in love.
On the other hand, Japanese idols, or at least the groups I belong to, still have an image that they are not allowed to be scandalized, and it seems to me that their popularity is largely determined by how they behave at the handshake event. What is the difference between the two?
Do they disappoint their fans? 18 years old, lost in the deviation from black hair.
While Korean idols entertain their fans with new hair colors and hairstyles every time they release a new song, I was very cautious when I was 18 years old because I felt like even dying my hair a little brown was something that would disappoint my fans. In fact, I've come across many times in every era where juniors have been lost in deviating from black hair.
It's the same with fashion. I had been going to a dance school in Ikebukuro since elementary school, and when I debuted, I was the kind of girl who liked to wear black PLAYBOYs with a bandana on top and a hat. When I walked into the theater in Akihabara, where it was still OK to come in and out of the theater, a fan saw me and wrote on my blog that "Minegishi's personal clothes are not like an idol," so I immediately bought a pink, flowery dress from Rizurisa. On the day I wore it, the blog said that it was "very good because it looked like an idol" and I still remember vividly how relieved I was to see it.
Do Japanese men like young girls? But I'm sure not all of them are.
Why do I have to have black hair, why can't I wear whatever I want...
I've heard it said that "Japanese men like young girls" and "idol fans are always looking for virginity in their idols," but I'm sure that's not the case for everyone.
It's something I've noticed recently, but perhaps it's because we as idols have a surprisingly ingrained notion of what it means to be an idol in our own minds.
Those of us who become idols at a young age are exposed to the eyes of others, hear all kinds of opinions, and have a vague image of what it means to be an idol before we become an individual.
Then, when they become a little more mature, they develop a belated ego.
It doesn't matter what country you're from. If there's an attraction that makes up for it.
There are AKB48 members like Tomochin Itano, who dyed her hair early on in her career and won a lot of support for her by establishing her own character, and nowadays, there are idols in Japan who wear their hair freely, have open relationships, and smoke publicly. There are no rules that say this is not allowed.
In this day and age, the country is no longer relevant. It's not the fault of Japanese men or idol otaku that idols are supposed to be able to be idols. I think it was an excuse for my lack of confidence in my ability to fight for my identity and my weakness in not knowing who I am in the first place.
I don't know if I have the charm to support her no matter what she's doing, as long as she has something to attract people to support her as an idol while acting freely, with her favorite haircut and fashion, that's all that matters.
I like her face.
I love her performance.
I like her fashion.
I like the way he thinks.
I love it, and I love the way you live.
If only I had the potential to feel that way, and if I had the confidence to do so, I might not have been swallowed up by the idol image that was created out of nowhere. Maybe I wouldn't have chosen to be a monk.
I feel that way now, at 27 years old, when I've come to accept myself a little better.
To all the idol fans who accused me of being crazy all over the world because of me, I'm so sorry for that time.
To the fans who still support me today, I am so grateful for your support.
You can always be someone's idol if you can establish the person you want to attract.
At the time of my debut, I should have had brown hair if I wanted to, and I should have worn PLAYBOY, even the top and bottom black ones, with impunity.
I didn't think so at the time. But it's not too late.
If you can establish the kind of person you want to be and not make becoming an idol your goal, then you can be an idol for someone else, both while you're still an idol and in your life after you graduate.
With all due respect to the girls who are willing to follow the aesthetics of their idols, I hope this is a hint to those idols who have lost sight of who they are.
I'm not trying to affirm anything or deny any of them, the morning of the idol who stayed is about to dawn.
"To be honest, I'm not that familiar with the world of idols"
I do think Miichan makes some good points here about idols not developing their own personality because they are always trying to be the idol they think other people want them to be.
but ... otoh, Miichan did develop her own personality ... maybe not in her looks, but in her actions
She became a variety idol, not because that was expected of her, but because of her quick wit and talent for talking freely, even though she obviously tried to comply with the traditional image.
to be honest .. one of the few idols that really decided to just go with her own style and character is Naachan
ow ... btw, I think Miichan is mistaken if she assumes that Korean idols have more freedom.
yeah ... dying your hair ... dating after a certain age ...
but remember Goo Hara, Sulli and Jonghyun who all took their own lives for various reasons, but online abuse was a factor in most of them.
to me, as a half informed westerner, the Korean idol scene with their agencies seems to be harder and more unforgiving than the Japanese scene.
since I brought up the subject:
if anyone is having suicidal thoughts ... please get help!
most countries have a helplines and you should know you are not alone
new YouTube video
We get to see Miichan while she's writing her column about the 7 things she's happy with about stopping drinking.
You can see the effort she's putting into this ... (and still she claims she's an 'annoyed and useless person' .... :/ )
My response to that ... no, you are not, stop beating yourself up about that ... and お疲れ様でした 'otsukaresama deshita!"
Spoiler: auto translated video description
I can't afford to do what I need to do.
You can't do it unless someone hits your ass, and if you can do it, I'd like you to praise it.
There are people in the world who do what they need to do in a planned manner without asking for anything, so I am surprised and respected.
I used to hate myself, and I used to draw myself.
However, recently, through YouTube and columns, I've been able to expose myself as an annoyed and useless person, and I've been saved by the fact that there are people who sympathize with it.
By the way, I would be very happy if I could save someone who thinks I'm not good with something I send out.
You should do your best from time to time.
Yeah, if you're going to be chased by something every day, you should live happily while being spoiled, rather than being too strict and despairing.
What Japanese people need now is to relax their shoulders, I'm sure. With that said, I'm sure I'll fall asleep today as well.
I wrote this time, "7 things I'm glad I stopped drinking"
Please read it.
btw, looks like she went to work writing the column straight from having a shower ... natural Miichan, no makeup
but she did wear a =LOVE T-Shirt, because you have to support your friends
btw Miichan and Yuunamogion performed Mata Aeru Hi Made at the online handshake live.
Miichan had the most pretty smile ever in the intermezzo where she hugged the others ...
(and yeah ... the song still makes me sad as well ... )
it's a pity they didn't include Ayanan, Komiharu, Sahhoo and Sakkii as well though