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Single Keyakizaka46 7th [Ambivalent] (2018/08/15)

Discussion in 'Keyakizaka46 News & Releases' started by ForrestFuller, Jul 5, 2018.

  1. EinhanderX

    EinhanderX Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    Keyakizaka46's 7th single (Ambivalent) 5th round HS sales result
    rank. (prev. rank.) sold slots/total slots (+change) member name

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    01. (01.) 24/24 (+00) Nagasawa Nanako (1st round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Sugai Yuuka (2nd round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Saito Kyoko (2nd round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Nagahama Neru (2nd round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Watanabe Rika (2nd round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Kobayashi Yui (2nd round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Watanabe Risa (2nd round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Uemura Rina (2nd round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Kato Shiho (2nd round sold out)
    02. (02.) 24/24 (+00) Koike Minami (2nd round sold out)
    11. (11.) 24/24 (+00) Higashimura Mei (3rd round sold out)
    11. (11.) 24/24 (+00) Habu Mizuho (3rd round sold out)
    11. (11.) 24/24 (+00) Kakizaki Memi (3rd round sold out)
    11. (11.) 24/24 (+00) Moriya Akane (3rd round sold out)
    11. (11.) 24/24 (+00) Ushio Sarina (3rd round sold out)
    11. (11.) 24/24 (+00) Sasaki Mirei (3rd round sold out)
    11. (11.) 24/24 (+00) Kosaka Nao (3rd round sold out)
    11. (11.) 24/24 (+00) Watanabe Miho (3rd round sold out)
    19. (19.) 24/24 (+00) Takamoto Ayaka (4th round sold out)
    19. (19.) 24/24 (+00) Ozeki Rika (4th round sold out)
    19. (19.) 24/24 (+00) Suzumoto Miyu (4th round sold out)
    19. (19.) 24/24 (+00) Kanemura Miku (4th round sold out)
    19. (19.) 24/24 (+00) Nibu Akari (4th round sold out)
    19. (19.) 24/24 (+00) Kawata Hina (4th round sold out)
    25. (28.) 21/24 (+04) Sasaki Kumi
    26. (25.) 18/24 (+00) Tomita Suzuka
    26. (25.) 18/24 (+00) Matsuda Konoka
    26. (25.) 18/24 (+00) Miyata Manamo
    29. (29.) 17/18 (+02) Hamagishi Hiyori
    30. (30.) 12/24 (+02) Sato Shiori
    31. (31.) 08/24 (+04) Saito Fuyuka
    32. (32.) 03/24 (+03) Oda Nana
    33. (00.) 00/24 (+00) Iguchi Mao
    33. (00.) 00/24 (+00) Ishimori Nijika
    33. (00.) 00/24 (+00) Takase Mana
    33. (00.) 00/24 (+00) Yonetani Nanami
    Total: 691/858 (+15 since 4th round) [80.5%]
    Kanji total: 311/408 (+9) [76.2%]
    Hiragana total: 380/450 (+6) [84.4%]

    Hiragana 1st Gen: 189/240 (+4) [78.8%]
    Hiragana 2nd Gen: 191/210 (+2) [91.0%]
    743/831 (- 52) last single (increase/decrease over 6th single 5th round)
     
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  2. Hamasaki90

    Hamasaki90 Kenkyuusei

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    Couldnt agree more! I am amazed by how slick their live performance on Mste. Anyway, https://www.bilibili.com/video/av29622637?from=search&seid=4815392136079912251 --> Ambivalent performance starts at 13.32
     
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  3. mayuri91

    mayuri91 Kenkyuusei

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    i wonder why they didnt get 30slot?? keya can easily reach 900k 1st week with 30slots.
     
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  4. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Admin Staff Member Stage48 Admin

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    My long running conspiracy theory is that they are waiting for the groups to split and then with new members (as of tomorrow) plus 30 slots per member the sales won't decrease (/much)
     
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  5. ukifune

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    The cartwheel seemed too easy at first, then I realized it was just.that.good. Neru explained in Message about Hirate not touching the floor but going off her legs (at Rock in Japan), and said what great athletic ability "Tecchan" has. You can see her grabbing Neru's legs just above the knee and whirling easily through the air, with Neru's hands on Techi's waist, following the move, not seeming to do much, just for safety.

    But my favorite part was the hundred-armed Kannon just a bit after that, and then the way everyone so gracefully collapsed outward. Beautiful. I also liked the form and symbolism of the hands (Suzumoto and Risa) grabbing Techi's rising arm at the end: no ambivalence, just holding her in the group. The black and white outfits worked well on that set.

    I think that performance should keep sales churning through the weekend. We shall see.

    Interesting points from @mayuri91 and @kanjo. I have wondered how Nogi could go through handshake events without more of a break than those half-hours between sessions: five sessions a day, straight through. And now I see the reverse observation: why does Keyaki not go to all five from its normal maximum of four. @kanjo's seemingly convoluted conspiracy theory seems possible to me. I thought they began slowly because the members were inexperienced, or because their popularity was uneven, and just stayed that way, maybe out of fear members couldn't take it. But now maybe they're delaying the increase for the reasons @kanjo says.
     
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  6. Trinu

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    OK I'm warming up to the song now thanks to the MS performance.

    Still not a fan of it being Tecchi and her back dancers, but it is what it is.

    The choreo might be their best, as it's actually made of dance moves and not just punching the air.

    The groups as in Kanji and Hiragana?
    I doubt that is happening.

    Kanji total: 311/408 (+9) [76.2%]
    Hiragana total: 380/450 (+6) [84.4%]


    Hiragana is selling more than Kanji for this single.
    And while adding 6 more slots to every Kanji member would give them 114 more, that's way behind the 450 Hiragana has.
    The drop would be considerable one way or another.

    Nah, I think Hiragana will stay part of the group just to add to the numbers, but they'll get their albums and tours (and Netflix shows? lol) apart. Not a bad deal, IMO.
     
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  7. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Admin Staff Member Stage48 Admin

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    But even if they're split they'll be under the same ownership. It's not like anyone would be losing money. They might go from a million selling group to an 800k and 600k selling group but I don't know how much management would mind that.
     
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  8. patapataful

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    Watched the MS performance and I must say, after a few seconds of the choreography my thoughts were: Oh my, like eccentric 2.0 but then it changed:cute:
     
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  9. Trinu

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    Sure, the money still goes to Sony/AkiP, but the million is basically free advertisement for the group.

    Plus, they'd be throwing the whole W-Keyakizaka thing out of the window and they made such a fuss around that song and theme.

    They'd be better off debuting a whole new group.
     
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  10. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Admin Staff Member Stage48 Admin

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    Selling a million copies hasn't caused any drastic changes for Nogizaka or Keyakizaka so far. Personally I think it's overrated.
    They don't even perform W-Keyaki any more. Hiragana only did 3 songs at Keyaki republic and weren't invited to the summer arena tour.
    They have completely separated their shows. 2 years, 5 singles since the 1st batch was added and not a single senbatsu spot.
    They're different groups. Had they mixed in the 7th single there would be hope but they've grown too far apart.
     
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  11. ZenigameX

    ZenigameX Kenkyuusei

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    4th day sales: 23,318 (779,452)
     
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  12. Trinu

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    It hasn't caused any drastic changes in AKB either, and that is not to say they don't care about it.
    I agree on the overrated part though.

    As for the tours, is it that different from how Nogizaka does it? Doesn't the Under girls have their own tour?
    Why include all the girls in a tour when they can get double the money doing two of them?

    I guess we'll have a glimpse of their plans tomorrow, so we'll see.
    I really see no problem in how things are working for now.
     
  13. Reveen

    Reveen Upcoming Girls

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    It's probably a matter of logistics, groups don't turn away money for conspiracy theory reasons.

    If you have an extra days slots you need to find a hall to put it in but it can't be too far in the future because people don't like buying tickets for something too far in the future away.

    Then you have to find the right location, so do you add another Kanto date? If so can you book a hall within the right timeframe? Or do you risk milking the Kanto fanbase too much? So then do you add a date in Nagoya/Osaka/Fukuoka? Which one is going to sell out easiest? Is there a hall available on that date? But then you also have to book hotel rooms for all the members and management, fly down staff and members from tokyo, hire local staff, hire catering, this all adds to the expenses, so are you still making a profit? Is it worth it?

    Then you have to consider that Nogizaka or a 48 group (or all of them) are in competition for hall space for HS, not to mention the competition from rock bands holding concerts, industry associations or other entertainment agencies wanting to hold conventions in those halls.

    Plus if you do too much HS and not enough concerts aren't fans that follow you for performance reasons going to get pissed off? Also do you risk over-tiring and exhausting the girls by having too much hs? Then there's all the other outside work like plays, tv, grav and everything else to think of and it all means it's not so easy just to say "Hey lets have another days hs this single"
     
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  14. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Admin Staff Member Stage48 Admin

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    The difference with Nogi's is that there is mobility in Nogi. Unders change. It's not like the 2nd and 3rd gens have no option of ever being in senbatsu.
    Besides, there's nothing wrong with unders/Hiragana/any sub group doing their own tour. But they're not involved in Kanji's tour. The main group didn't bring them along. When they do, it's a few token songs with no group mixing. You can't see *that* as normal, can you?

    The problem now is that one group has a glass ceiling for the other group to stand on.

    @Reveen it's not about getting them to do another day/event. Each day has 5 slots and members only do up to 4. Their booth is empty for the other slot.
     
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  15. mayuri91

    mayuri91 Kenkyuusei

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    definitely reasons such as to save cost, and let the girls rest arent on company mind. if it is not profitable, akb48 will not do more than 20slot per girls because, only quarter of girls manage to sell some slots,more wasting money than making money. and..why would sony let keya girls rest (with less hs slot) more than nogi when it seems nogi girls have more work than them??
     
  16. ukifune

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    How long did it take Nogi to work up to 30 slots? Did they do it right from their very beginning, or did it not happen for, say, two years?
     
  17. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Admin Staff Member Stage48 Admin

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    Their fourth, so within one year.

    They had a rougher start so for their debut I don't think any member sold out their 15 slots.
     
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  18. Trinu

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    Yes, Nogi moves the girls up and down, but some girls have been popular without barely touching senbatsu.
    Himetan probably being one of the most known, for example.

    But yes, the no group mixing does seem weird.
    They could finish the concerts with W-Keyaki or the Taiyou song they both share.

    Ohwell, we'll see where it all leads, but I wouldn't be surprised if things stayed like this.
     
  19. ZenigameX

    ZenigameX Kenkyuusei

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    5th day sales: 16,481 (795,933)
     
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  20. Hiraishin

    Hiraishin Kenkyuusei

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    How's the Total sales glass wo ware first week?
     

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