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Single Nogizaka46 20th (Synchronicity) (18/04/25)

Discussion in 'Nogizaka46 News & Releases' started by ForrestFuller, Feb 22, 2018.

  1. Chubo

    Chubo Kenkyuusei

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    I'm sure most of them are used to it by now. The problem with Nogizaka's current system is the classification of Senbatsu and Unders, in which Keya is trying to fix on their own. This classification conditions the fans' mindset to look at the idols in a "weak" and "strong" manner. Here's the problem, I heard before that when someone enters senbatsu(strong), she will have new jobs, tv appearances, etc. in contrast to someone who is in unders(weak). I'm not saying that unders doesn't have new jobs or tv appearances, what I mean is the volume. Now, if most of the girls in the senbatsu are unchanged (the "If it works, why change it?" principle), of course they will get more popular or in business perspective, their market value will increase. The unders on the other hand may grow slowly or the worst, "stagnant". What happens is that the gap between the "weak" and the "strong" increases drastically. I think this is the main reason why the management can't just pick girls from unders to senbatsu and I also think they knew about this problem.
     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2018
  2. RedBug

    RedBug Kenkyuusei

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    Maybe Hane no Kioku
     
  3. biboloxo

    biboloxo Kenkyuusei

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    Fix? It is b/c of that non-senbatsu system that there is barely any girl who has the will nor the passion to lead the group. They are all "without Hirate we are nothing" bunch of cowards. B/c they are always in senbatsu so they dont even have the will to fight for their own spots.
     
  4. Chubo

    Chubo Kenkyuusei

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    I see. I apologize if I misunderstood. I was trying to see it in a business perspective. I was thinking that they are fixing that kind of system because of the existence of Hiragana. Honestly, I still don't know what the role of Hiragana Keya is. They said that Hiragana is not the same as the Unders in Nogi yet it's just the same. The only difference maybe is that keya's senbatsu selection (kanji formation) are just amongst themselves. That leaves me confused.
     
  5. NyanNyan's Pet

    NyanNyan's Pet Kenkyuusei

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    It's actually worst over there imo. It's one girl over the rest and the so-called sister group is nothing but a sugar coated under girls. How long are they gonna keep up with their experiment? And some fans are defending the 'sister group' status bec of an album....oh please.
    At least in Nogi someone who's been UG can someday be the center. New faces comes, in time they're competing for Senbatsu position. One thing for sure, Keya need to 'fix' a lot of things, the sooner the better.
     
  6. Chubo

    Chubo Kenkyuusei

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    Now, that makes sense. It's like entering an idol group without any chance of becoming "center". I guess it's worse then.
     
  7. NyanNyan's Pet

    NyanNyan's Pet Kenkyuusei

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    It can still change though. But if it's going to be the same trend for the next 2 or 3 singles, keeping their center and rotate kanji members only, it won't look good for the other girls. And that Hiragana situation, they better figure things out asap and decide what to do with them.
    That's why Nogi Senbatsu announcement is more exciting. And this 20th didn't dissapoint.
     
  8. biboloxo

    biboloxo Kenkyuusei

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    Well, in Nogi and 48Gs, if a senbatsu member cant perform, that spot will be fillled by an undergirl. In K46? They will just leave that spot empty... Even worst, the senbatsu members said themselves that those empty spots cant be filled by anyone, a different way to say "get lost" to Hiragana's face.
     
  9. AloNeko

    AloNeko Kenkyuusei

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    Not funny :(.
    ... Business is business..
     
  10. Ikutafan

    Ikutafan Kenkyuusei

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    I actually have the same thoughts as I really expected Ikucha to be still in the second row knowing that she might be really busy again since they already started promoting Mozart. But putting Maiyan at the center, Ikuchan is the next one after Naachan that should be beside Maiyan. Since if she is at the second row, I’m sure that many will complain if she is not the center there since she already “gave way” with her well deserved front row spots since the last few singles. Lol.
     
  11. AloNeko

    AloNeko Kenkyuusei

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    :fp: Sorry... I was hope at that Ikuta to that role (CENTER), anyway...

    :confused: Are i should intrest what Ikoma do after Nogizaka46... ? Although i maybe sure at Ikuta...
    EDIT: +(****)
     
  12. CutePanda

    CutePanda Upcoming Girls

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    welcome to the management of Keyaki46 [hehe]
     
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  13. SilentBreeze

    SilentBreeze Kenkyuusei

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    yup, kimi no na wa kibou maybe,
    her last song, with ikuta on piano...
    and Hanabi :)
     
  14. EinhanderX

    EinhanderX Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    Nogizaka46 20th Single (Synchronicity) 2nd round HS results
    rank. (prev. rank.) sold slots/total slots (+change) member name (sold out status)
    nogi20-2.jpg
    01. (01.) 30/30 (+30) Saito Asuka (2nd round sold out)
    01. (01.) 30/30 (+30) Yamashita Mizuki (2nd round sold out)
    01. (01.) 30/30 (+30) Yoda Yuki (2nd round sold out)
    04. (01.) 29/30 (+29) Kubo Shiori
    05. (01.) 27/30 (+27) Umezawa Minami
    06. (01.) 25/30 (+25) Takayama Kazumi
    06. (01.) 25/30 (+25) Hori Miona
    06. (01.) 25/30 (+25) Ozono Momoko
    09. (01.) 24/30 (+24) Hoshino Minami
    10. (01.) 20/20 (+20) Akimoto Manatsu (2nd round sold out)
    10. (01.) 20/20 (+20) Eto Misa (2nd round sold out)
    12. (01.) 20/30 (+20) Shinuchi Mai
    13. (01.) 19/30 (+19) Ito Riria
    14. (01.) 15/15 (+15) Ikuta Erika (2nd round sold out)
    15. (01.) 15/20 (+15) Inoue Sayuri
    16. (01.) 10/10 (+10) Matsumura Sayuri (2nd round sold out)
    17. (01.) 04/25 (+04) Suzuki Ayane
    18. (01.) 03/30 (+03) Saito Yuri
    19. (01.) 02/30 (+02) Terada Ranze
    19. (01.) 02/30 (+02) Watanabe Miria
    19. (01.) 02/30 (+02) Iwamoto Renka
    22. (01.) 01/30 (+01) Yamazaki Rena
    23. (01.) 00/30 (+00) Nakada Kana
    23. (01.) 00/30 (+00) Higuchi Hina
    23. (01.) 00/30 (+00) Sakaguchi Tamami
    23. (01.) 00/30 (+00) Sato Kaede
    23. (01.) 00/30 (+00) Nakamura Reno
    23. (01.) 00/30 (+00) Mukai Hazuki
    23. (01.) 00/30 (+00) Yoshida Ayano Christie
    23. (01.) 00/18 (+00) Saito Chiharu
    23. (01.) 00/18 (+00) Ito Karin
    23. (01.) 00/12 (+00) Noujo Ami
    23. (01.) 00/12 (+00) Ito Junna
    23. (01.) 00/12 (+00) Sasaki Kotoko
    23. (01.) 00/06 (+00) Sagara Iori
    23. (01.) 00/06 (+00) Kawago Hina
    23. (01.) 00/06 (+00) Wada Maaya
    Total 378/890 (+378 since 1st round) [42.5%]
    1st Gen: 162/307 (+162) [52.8%]
    2nd Gen: 54/223 (+54) [24.2%]
    3rd Gen: 162/360 (+162) [45.0%]
    327/920 (+51) last single (increase/decrease over 19th single 2nd round)
     
  15. STS

    STS Kenkyuusei

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    Riria and Umezawa! :banana:Mngmnt must put them in next sembatsu!
     
  16. Mikuriin

    Mikuriin Kenkyuusei

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    Zukki slayyyy!
     
  17. fujimiko

    fujimiko Kenkyuusei

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    Sasuga Zukki and Master Yoda.
    3rd gen are really HS monster.
     
  18. baymon

    baymon Kenkyuusei

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    Momoko HS seems improving which is a good sign. Kubo and Umezawa slightly slower this time.
    Also Matsumura who has just back to HS after a year still selling well. I was a bit worried that fans are fed up and not wanting to see her.
     
  19. EinhanderX

    EinhanderX Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    She can rest assured that her popularity is justified. That's for sure.
     
  20. tiktok

    tiktok Kenkyuusei

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    Shida Manaka
    Hoshimina and Momo huge jump. Both giving proper anwers for their respective push. And Maichun too... OL's power:cool:

    :1st:Hoshimina improving by +17
    :2nd:Momo +16
    :3rd:Maichun +7

    <3Honorable mention, my girl Ayane +4
    Complete table

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