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[GENERAL] The AKB48 Thread

Discussion in 'General AKB48 Discussion' started by Kyobu, Jun 16, 2007.

  1. Rurouni

    Rurouni Kenkyuusei

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  2. Idol-chan_Spiffy

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    Didn't request hour already pass? :confused:
     
  3. David61

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    This year they only performed the songs 1-100 but I've no idea why they're leaving it so late to announce 101-200.
     
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    Ok. I thought it already passed. How interesting.
     
  5. Trinu

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    Shouldn't the 50th single come with the voting ballot for the next one? Maybe they're trying to hype people up.
     
  6. STS

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    http://akb48taimuzu.livedoor.biz/archives/52064623.html - news about feelings of AKBmembers that don't invite in 50th single sembatsu. "Kanashii - Sad"! More than a half!!! "Fall of the main group"...
    https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20170912-00000012-jct-ent
    sad... every month I hear only bad, sad news from AKB... I'm actualy a litle bit tired...
    I think all AKB48 members must be transfer to new 48 group (Kanto48) and disbaund Team8. Because now AKB48 is dying ... I don't believe than AKB have a future and I understand why AkiP pays more attention to the development of Sakamichi... but it's really SAD! :cry:
     
  7. Mana

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    @STS what do you mean by "disband Team 8"? if any drastic change like this happens, the best solution would actually to make 48G as a real full group. and have them promote under AKB name (kinda like how they're doing right now, but make it official) but for this they would have to disband sister groups & this won't happen. even now they insist on debuting more & more sister groups. anyway Team 8 can't be disbanded, they're one of the only good things left. they should become a group of their own. or if AKS wants to save AKB, transfer all AKB members to another group like SDN, and make Team 8 the new AKB. LOL.

    But seriously I don't really see management making any drastic change, not until AKB really does badly. until then they'll keep declining, it can't be helped :S
     
  8. STS

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    New group or divid girls between othre 48G. I can't see any chance for Team8 girls to promote girls in AKB48. because we must give some space for SG in singles and albums

    also mngmnt need сlear the space of those who just play the game. Mngmnt tried to create new star but every time she is just graduate... wtf... don't take a seat, just go away!!! like Naany... or Miki... or Kawae...
     
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  9. lionel90

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    After 3 years I don't get why some people still under look Team 8 ? Currently It's maybe the 2nd most powerfull Team (if not the most). Come on, just take a look at their performances ! You'll see they aren't the beginners they were anymore.
    Everytime the question of a shuffle comes on the table, there's allways this idea of disbanding Team 8, just why ?
     
  10. PetalidiStelle

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    It's just that after all these years, teams have become less important than the individuals. Now it's more important for a member to be on the top of 48G (vulgo AKB48) than to a team to be the greatest of all teams. Blame it on all the Kennin, etc. stuff.
     
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    I'm not under looking them, but rather I think the plasticity of Team 8 has plateaued because of incompetent management decisions and they can't integrate much with AKB as a group/team.

    AKB is far from dying anyways.
     
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  12. noTKMNnoLIFE

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    The problem is AKB isn't just a group, it's a brand. It's THE brand. It's how the general public knows the 48G by. If they released singles without the SG stars it could drastically affect sales and make AKB, and therefore all groups, look weak. There goes your 1m sales streak, here comes all the media fallout about AKB dying, and it's a downward spiral into obscurity.

    ...at least that's what the concern would be. There's always talk about making AKB a super group and splitting up/renaming the current AKB to keep the streak going, but personally, I think if AKS had the balls to risk that sales streak just once with the right song and image, and loaded up on young AKB pushes, Team 8, and a small number of established AKB stars, they could keep the sales streak alive and even bring some much needed freshness and excitement to AKB. Then you could keep the SG inclusion to SSK and other special singles, maybe add another 48G special release too.
     
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    tbh the main market of customers are the wotas not the public anyways >__> Really doubt how the casuals would affect too much on the numbers.
     
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    You can ONLY keep the sales streak going by having sister groups doing AKB handshakes. And why should Sayaka (for example) do 30 slots of AKB handshakes and not appear on the A-side, that's ludicrous.
     
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    I know it's about the wotas, that's why I said it could drastically affect sales. Could. But I think AKB has the potential right now with Team 8 and their current stars to make it work. Only with the right song though, like I said. Don't underestimate the power of a hit song to turn those casuals into new fans. Look at what Heavy Rotation and KFC did for the group.

    As per the last reply, I disagree that it's impossible. But really, even if they lost the streak, that wasn't supposed to be the point. The point is I think they have the strength right now to do AKB-only releases and build something new and exciting from it. They would still have the other 48G special releases for the big SG HS attractions.
     
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    Sayanee wasn't involved at all with #SukiNanda and she still participated in the hand shake events. And she sold all her slots in the first round as usual. I agree it is ludicrous but I think this shows that in the future they could get away with an AKB only single in which sister groups participated in the hand shake events. Fans would complain but buy it anyways.
     
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    She excluded herself from SSK, that was a one off.

    that would be beyond unfair and inequitable. If sister groups had to do AKB handshakes and not be in the single then AKB members should do sister group handshakes and not appear on the singles.

    You can't guarantee that. Sister group fans might stay away from the AKB single and spend more on the sister group singles, especially if the members kicked up a fuss.
     
  18. oji-sama

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    All of this AKB is dying talk... is pretty much BS. First, AKB sales on Billboard are pretty good (although decreasing slightly). The drastic decreases in Oricon are mostly due to stricter enforcement of policy (at least that's what is safe to assume because Billboard numbers don't change as much as Oricon numbers from single to single.) I'm too lazy to back that up rn, if someone wants to dig through Oricon and Billboard (Soundscan) sales for me from each single thread I'll appreciate it. Also, I could be wrong about this, but I'm 70% sure I'm correct lul

    Basically, Oricon policy tries to see how many copies are bought, excluding purchases for over 20 copies of a single, IIRC. So yeah maybe it's true that AKB's popularity (number of people in fanbase) is decreasing or maybe general public is buying less singles than usual. But in case you haven't noticed, this doesn't matter AT ALL. Say a company is making 200 dollars everytime they release a product. They don't give a flying f**k if that money is from 2,000 people or just 1 person... all they care about is the money that they are making. Granted, AKB's gross sales have probably decreased a bit, but they are definitely staying in a comfortable range.

    Another argument that I sometimes see is that AKB has more members and slightly less sales. Maybe that's true but, again, it doesn't really matter. The investment that they spend in lower tier, complete nobody members is probably next to nothing. Naturally, the return on these members is also next to nothing.

    So no, hell no, AKB is not doomed. They're making enough money to continue running the group relatively efficiently (even if management senbatsu selections are absolute crap). Heck, the quality of AKB productions actually seems to be increasing (by that I mean things like camera work in Suki Nanda PV is better than in some older singles). If you really want to see a doomsday level problem, see sister groups. SKE sales today are just plain crap compared to what they were in their peak days. Even this can be explained, though, by the fact that there are more sister groups and the same overarching group of fans distributes their money differently.

    TLDR: AKB will survive because management is getting cash.
     
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    Yeah and I quote myself from this thread too.

    How long were those songs ago? Yeah, it was the good ol' days. Anyways it's not that I don't agree with you. It's just we don't have good songs like those anymore unfortunately meh. So it dun really matter what senbatsu they put out at this point, at least to the public.
     
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    The AKB-sister group problem is very complicated. You cannot consider sister-groups as a stand-alone entity; it is an extension of AKB to a new location to draw local fans. But the places can vary a lot in term of wealthness, jobs, media... If there is no connection to AKB, how many jobs, shows, and spotlight a Hakata, Niigata, or Setouchi-based group can have? When AKS creates a branch, it has to give it an equal chance as the others; otherwise no-one will stay.

    Currently AKB needs sister groups to draw the local fans, as well as getting more potential girls. It is an important factor keeping AKB single sale although many old-girl fans left. The sister-groups sacrifice their releases and HS sale to support AKB, thus they have right to ask for return from AKB. The sister group girls also needs AKB to find spotlights, jobs and popularity.

    We can differentiate the girls into 4 types:
    - Popular sister-group girls: These girls seem to have the most advantages. They earned popularity with AKB-support. They appear everywhere. They have more jobs in Tokyo than in their hometown. AKB needs them to boost sale; sister group needs them to stay relevant. On one hand, they should share spotlight to other girls by reduce their appearance in AKB, or in their group singles. On another hand, they deserve what they get.
    - Popular AKB girls
    - AKB theatre girls: they have no spotlight, no chance in their own single. But they are living in Tokyo, thus having a lot of job opportunities and a good income.
    - Sister-group theatre girls: they have chance to appear in their group single. But since each group releases 1-2 singles per year now,and each can sell ~300k, it is not much an advantage. Then, they have no-to-few jobs, shows and income. The hope of rising to type-1 is an important factor keeping them to stay.
    There are also pushed sister group girls, whom staffs want to convert from type-4 to type-1.

    If AKB excludes the sister group girls from their single?
    - AKB sale will drops dramatically. It will create a buzz, resulting in loss in investment, cooperation, media, and fan supports. If AKB survive the drop, they may stay low and come back eventually. Their sale will be 300-500k per single, with only 2-3 releases per year. However, the AKB girls have more chance to shine, and AKB can have a healthier future.
    - Sister-groups in wealthy regions (SKE, NMB) can rise a bit. They can have more releases, higher sale and operation freedom. Though, their popularity goes down, and the top girls will lose a lot.
    - Sister-groups in rural areas (HKT, NGT, STU) may rise for a while (similar to the other sister groups). However, after years, these groups will go down and eventually disband due to lack of income and media support.
     

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