[GENERAL] The Sakurazaka46 / Keyakizaka46 Thread

Discussion in 'General Sakurazaka46 Discussion' started by ForrestFuller, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. Iamyoung

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    @STS so is that where all this is coming from? OK. Just to say what you said, I think you also need to learn a lot about japanese music industry. And may be you could understand why every time when 46&48 to get some prize or even good time slot it's NOT so annoying for japanese, becos it is these same Japanese that put them in that position for the awards and time slot
     
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  2. Dill

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    Sorry but the first part of your answer made no sense.

    As for the secoond...
    "They are like emo-girls...
    They are strange and abnormal, un-normal group...
    Their performance always had WTF reaction from public,...
    They are a very niche group"


    You didn't said anything bad about Keyaki, because what you wrote is not like Keyaki at all.
    Which brings up my answer about how you don't understand the group.
    My english fails me in the evening, but I don't think what I wrote had been that hard to get.
    And if it makes me look "creepy" so be it lol
     
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  3. Philosophy Senpai

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    Why are people constantly regress on the "emo" aura in conjunction with Tecchi??? Wasn't Silent Majority the very first song of the group while at its INFANCY, a song where NO member were smiling? Wasn't Kimi ga inai, the song that precedes (pls correct me if I'm wrong) SiMajo a song resembling a funeral march (even referring to a Mahler symphony - the classical emo composer)? That group was born gloomy, this was not a treat stemming from Tecchi...!
     
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  4. Iamyoung

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    It's just one of those people. Probably here to state their point. No need to lose sleep over them

    What amazes me tho is how they go through all the process to join a forum of a group they obviously have no interest in, just to speak negatively about them? I mean the trouble in putting your thoughts and words behind something just to ruin a group's image. Interesting indeed
     
  5. SteCola

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    I hope you're not talking about me here, cause I just posted about Koike's interview and why the "keyakizaka" image was considered so bad to feel the need to rebraind it and changing the name. I posted my opinions and guesses. There's nothing wrong with that.
     
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  6. Iamyoung

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    Lol interesting that you think so. Nah, talking about that intruder
     
  7. miwa

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    If your comment was supposed to be about how idol groups aren't very popular with the public then that's fine. Because that's true and everyone knows that. But you called Keyakizaka a niche group compared to Nogizaka and AKB when that's not technically the truth, is it? I gave you examples that Keyakizaka's songs do reasonably well with the general public (as much as idol songs can do well). It's not a stretch to say they're more popular than AKB at the moment. Nobody is saying that they're the most popular group in Japan right now or that everyone in Japan knows them or loves them. The problem was in calling them a niche group when they're blatantly not.
     
  8. turbogig

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    At first, I wanted to write a long and detailed post, but then I thought to myself. What are you even arguing about? The notion that Keyaki is a "very niche group" is simply wrong. How to define "very niche"? What metrics are we even supposed to use in order to support this idea? If it's not numbers or TV appearances, then what? No artist (idol or not) can be equally popular among all people. Not even AKB, Nogi, Arashi or BTS or whatever.
     
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  9. SteCola

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    The "niche group" statement is obviously wrong, but I can get a similar sense of it. Despite being still popular, it's the image that Keyakizaka was portraying that was "niche" and not more comfortable for the girls and the group to be seen in a different way than the "emo" one, and it was too strong at that point and prevented keya girls to do other things, songs, funny commercials, tv apperances that other sakamichi girls were/are doing. As I posted before:

     
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  10. Iamyoung

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    Keyaki isn't the only idol with such image. There is BiS and also Passcode. It's with mainstream idols that will find keyaki with such image. Therefore saying they are a 'niche' group is sorta calling that image their very own which has been the argument non-keyaki fans alway put out here. Moreover, they do other concepts too & not necessarily that image. They are dynamic and can be more. Calling it Niche is overrated

    Edit: it's really sad to see this continuing. Having a thought you refuse to let go even tho you know you are wrong, but still go ahead to voice out, cos you just wanna create some argument. Not gonna say anything abt this anymore. It's a waste of time & energy
     
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  11. turbogig

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    Let's not pretend that Keyaki is something it isn't. By no means is it a rock/punk/emo/metal group. Nowhere near, in fact. In the end, it's all about marketing. Same old basic Aki-P formula, but this time with a new flavor. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not, if we look at the basics, Keyaki is as mainstream as any other 46/48 group. The "emo image" can't be the sole reason they got less CMs or side jobs than <insert group name>.
     
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  12. SteCola

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    it's not what they are, but how they associate them. The image of Keya being "dark" was too strong, the techicentrism was all over the top, and the other members felt all of this soffucating while other 46 groups had a more flexible image which is favored in the entertainment industry. That's the main point of why the name change. Keyakizaka as a brand was still really popular, so totally changing its name and giving up on the "keyakizaka mark", has a huge impact and of course you do it only cause there are valid reasons. And the main reason is that one to me, end that chapter and start a new one with an image more similar to the Nogizaka and Hinatakaza approach, which is more suitable for the girls.
     
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  13. turbogig

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. While a new name might sound like it will solve all their problems, it won't. People will compare it to Techizaka. People will say that this song or that center was better. People will say the previous style was better. Unless they pull a complete 180 and start singing enka, the psychological pressure won't disappear.

    The most recent thing I've come up with is this. The management simply doesn't want to see the new singles' low numbers (without Hiragana and after all that happened, there's no way to sell a million copies). Creating a "new" group just inherently lowers expectations of all parties involved and helps them save their faces. Simple as that. Imagine "Keyaki sold only 600k without Hirate" provocative headlines. Now, that would be a tricky pill to swallow.
     
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  14. SteCola

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    I can't agree with this, Keya already had "ambivalent" and "kuroi hitsuji" which failed to reach 1 million sales, and they still had Techi. So it's kinda the opposite, now with new 2ki and shin 2ki members, the sales could only go up compared to kuroi hitsuji, and that's without having techi (and I'm not counting dare ga sono kane which didn't have a physical release with HS system), I don't think it's based on sales this choice but more on what I said.
     
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  15. Iamyoung

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    I so can't wait for last live and for the group to rebrand
     
  16. turbogig

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    Oh come on, the number of members is the only thing that truly matters. What I really meant is that during 1mil era Keyaki had 21 OGs plus 21 Hiraganas. Having 28 members is one of the limiting factors. Nowadays Keaki and Hinata can only dream about reaching those numbers.
    And Ambivalent did eventually reach 1mil.
    The "Techi" part was just me trying to emulate the press. Did you believe I was serious?
     
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  17. Meiji Ishin

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    Ding ding ding we have a winner. For a more recent comparison look at Hina and Nogi. On a per idol basis Hina out sells Nogi, if we look at on a per HS slot basis and assume the number of people per slots are equal then it's about even with maybe a very slight edge to Nogi.
     
  18. SteCola

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    we're saying the same thing, the sales of the next single would just go up compared to kuroi hitsuji thanks to 2ki and new 2ki members addition for HS, so saying the rebrand is to avoid the "sales decline without techi" statement doesn't make sense, cause it's the opposite, they would just go up while still mantaining the Keyakizaka name.
    Of course techi not being anymore on the group has to do with the change name decision, but it's not about press and people talking about sales decline.
     
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  19. Meiji Ishin

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    The easy comparison for the first release post re-brand will be Hina. Hina has 22 members right now, Keya 28 and I expect 2-6 members will leave before the re-debut so both groups will be roughly equal in number of members
     
  20. SteCola

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    I don't think there are graduations coming, if these 1st gen girls weren't supposed to be on the new group's name, would've already left like Nagasawa.

    And Nogi can be comparable too, they have the double amount of members, but the senpai and most popular ones at a certain amount and time, stop doing handshakes, from 1ki only Higuchi and Waada are still doing HS, and they're not exaclty the most popular members. They're around 30 at the moment doing HS, not so much difference, especially if you consider you miss lot of potential 30/30 HS girls.
     
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