Single Keyakizaka46 4th [Fukyouwaon] (2017/04/05)

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  1. marioworldakb

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    Regardless this is how you steal a show lol

    AKB's app filter was pretty damn troll too, Keya was just next level
     
  2. af8!

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    I liked the performance. I think it would look better in any outfit besides their Zankoku ones, but I like the dance. It stays true to the name, and the choreo is really interesting.
     
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    Exactly where I am, too. I loved it. I want to see more. I want to see it better. I want more medium-long camera shots and less close-up, so I don't miss so much of the choreo and the overall look on stage.

    @minaeshi makes a good point about it being a bit rough (except where it counts). This is a perfect match for the wild multi-member Showrooms. Eccentric. Inventive. I'm so glad I became a fan of this group. They have even more going for them than I realized. No wonder they seem so exuberant right now: I think they realize they're doing well, too.

    Two shoe things in the two most recent videos: in the M-Station Fukyouwaon, at the beginning you could see the clear tape they use to wrap around their instep and hold their loafers on. On Music Day we have that fabulous idea of brandishing a shoe and then tossing it away, and dancing wearing only one shoe. I like.
     
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    I don't think I've ever seen a thread on S48 that has so much confirmation bias and instances of people "drinking the kool-aid". That choreography was fucking awful.
     
  5. Matsui Hikari

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    I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds the choreography bad LOL. I find that the choreography does not match the song at all and the shoe thing is just weird af. I'm a huge fan of Keyaki but I'll pass on this.
     
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    I was recommended watching the performancing.

    I must admit its easily among the worst idol performances i have ever seen. And by "idol perfomances" i am referring to the already low standards i have been adapted to.
    I want to unsee it much, but i cant. Need to play another round of PoE now.
     
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    lol

    I am eccentric 変わり者でいい
    普通なんかごめんだ 僕は僕でいさせてくれ
    敬遠されたって 好きなように生きてくよ
    カメレオンみたいに同じ色に染まれない

    I am eccentric and I’m fine with being strange
    I’ll pass on being normal, just let me be myself
    When people avoid me, I can live as I please
    I refuse to change my color to suit everyone like a chameleon

    何が真実(ほんと)なんてどうでもいい
    わかってもらおうなんて無理なんだ
    倒れて行く悪意のドミノ
    止めようたって止められない

    訂正したとこで
    また同じことの繰り返し

    もう、そういうのうんざりなんだよ

    But they don’t really care to have the truth
    Getting them to understand is a waste of time
    I can knock over that bunch of malicious dominos
    Even if you tell them to stop, they’ll keep going

    And every time you correct them
    They just start doing it all over again

    I’m fed up with it already!

    Nuff said

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    btw the members on SR points out the choreograph is actually not just a random squidward dance. (Another version it seems)

    All members have their own individual characteristic choreograph during the chorus
    https://twitter.com/enter_gncr24/status/881164374177595394?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://keyakittenani.blog.jp/archives/23290498.html

    https://twitter.com/imizikumoito/status/881173256396341248?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://keyakittenani.blog.jp/archives/23290498.html

    https://twitter.com/gjapab/status/881166537754726400?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://keyakittenani.blog.jp/archives/23290498.html

    Like...Sugai Yuuka is a drone beetle, Ishimori Nijika is Ostrich, Sato Shiori is a photo, Saito Fuyuka is doing the Awa Odori
     
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  8. zakihime

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    I find it weird how people expect eccentric choreography to be nice when the song title is called eccentric. do you guys know the meaning of eccentric or do i need to search it up for you guys?
     
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    Eccentric does not automatically equal terrible, though.
     
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    I don't think we should even use the idol standard to even measure this performance is good or bad since it was meant to be an art form of expressing their individuality on the stage.

    At least it was easily the most entertaining performance in the Music Program lol. And it is getting a lot of people talking about it.
     
  11. glsone

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    It has a negative connotation. It is probably the nicest way to say something is weird though, yeah. Like if you have a crazy friend and people ask you what's wrong with them you'd reply with "Oh, they're just eccentric." It's admitting they're odd, but sugar coating I guess?

    I love how polarizing the choreo is. That's what makes it so successful imo. Look at the amount of discussion it's brought about even just here.
     
  12. Meiji Ishin

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    Eccentric also carries with it the idea that a person is wealthy or creative, because of the eccentric millionaire and artist tropes. I don't think it is really viewed as a negative term.
     
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    There are 16-something cute girls dancing to simple pop songs. They dont need to be Beyonce to be entertaining. As i said, when i am applying idol standards, i am actually pretty low on the universal standard measure.
    In this case, the girls were entertaining but in the same way when people are watching accidents.


    That means i really dont want to go and compare them to expressionist/postmodern character dance or something. I guess you know HIMYM:


    Thats me being Marshall.
     
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  14. marioworldakb

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    Then this is good enough.

    Most of the Japanese netizens are more bewildered by the performance of the image gap (Cute girls x weird dance). So I wouldn't use the word "accident" at least no one I have seen yet on twitter is brave enough to comment it was bad / worse performance on the show. It was mostly eccentric.
     
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    Can we just agree that in their intention to appear eccentric the group failed pretty hard and move on?
     
  16. Meiji Ishin

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    No, to quote the greatest thinker of the modern era "That's just like your opinion, man.", you may see it as a failure others may view it as a success. Neither view is right or wrong.
     
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    I am a 48G fan but sorry I love the octopus dance tho lol Looped the song like 3 hours now

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    I guess we are debating on two levels here:

    Level 1: Is it cool to have an eccentric choreography for a song named "Eccentric"?

    Yes. Absolutely.

    Level 2: Is it cool to fail very hard while trying equally hard to appear eccentric in your eccentric choreography?

    No.

    Meta-Level: Was it actually part of the choreography to perform it dully, boring, and sloppily and simultaneously overdo it?

    Maybe. I cannot say. However, regardless if the performance quality was either part of the scheme or an accident, i cannot bring myself to like bad performances.

    /edit:

    It is basically the same criticism that almost universally applies to Keya. People really, really, really, really, LIKE REALLY want them to be different and cool and top notch and an alternate draft to the conventional 48G idols, and are thus lost in their confirmation/selection bias. But in the end, keya46 is just a bunch of girls trying really hard. So hard, you notice they are trying.

    It's basically like you are watching your kids fail really badly at the school concert/sports festival, but you still tell everybody how talented they are.
     
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  19. Meiji Ishin

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    There is no 2 levels here, level 2 and meta are your opinions some share them, others don't.
    It would be fair to say that opinions are divided or mixed on both the choreography and performance, it would not be fair to say any individuals opinion on them is the correct opinion except for that individual.
    You are searching for consensus for something that does not require nor will ever have consensus.
     
  20. glsone

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    Just so I'm straight, you're saying that the choreo is bad conceptually and then you are also saying that it was performed poorly? I'll disagree to the choreos concept part but slightly agree with the performance part. Keyakizakas average level of dancing ability is pretty low so it's not that surprising.

    Part of the problem is the use of objective words to describe subjective things going on here. Say "I didn't enjoy it." and no one bats an eye. Say "It's bad." and those are fighting words type thing.
     

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