So what about all the articles that talk about how "amazing and unique" Hirate is, and the polls that place her #1 for whatever category? I guess that's proof, right. I'm not saying that Nogi doesn't have good visuals. They have a lot of very good visual members. But they also have a lot of members with average visuals and a lot of members with not so good visuals. Its just that most of the high visual members are fukujin so they're the most in the public eye. But if you're talking averages, Nogi, Keyaki, and Hinata are probably all about the same. And in my opinion a lot of Nogi members are overrated visually. HeR hEAd Is sO sMaLL. Ok. The delusion comes in when Nogi fans are like "Nogi=beauty, Keya=ugly" its like "But what about these other Nogi girls that are barely even cute?" "Oh don't look at them."